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denphone · 24-10-2016, 13:45

No doubt the old boy will dispute that as well as he seems to have a propensity for that even though the clear facts are in front of his eyes.

1andrew1 · 24-10-2016, 14:09

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Originally Posted by toady

I don't see advertising on TV declining any time soon, over the last ten years TV advertising has been at a consistent 50% of ad spending, the only area of advertising that has seen a shift is a decline in print and a subsequent rise in online

It will be interesting to see how 2016 and 2017 turn out; 2015 was a record year for TV advertising. https://www.thinkbox.tv/News-and-opi...for-first-time

OLD BOY · 24-10-2016, 15:06

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Originally Posted by toady

I don't see advertising on TV declining any time soon, over the last ten years TV advertising has been at a consistent 50% of ad spending, the only area of advertising that has seen a shift is a decline in print and a subsequent rise in online

I am talking about the future, not the present, toady. Once on demand viewing becomes more mainstream, declining audiences experienced by the broadcast channels will lead to falling revenue. It is pretty obvious where that will lead.

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Originally Posted by denphone

No doubt the old boy will dispute that as well as he seems to have a propensity for that even though the clear facts are in front of his eyes.

If you have any clear facts to enlighten me otherwise, Den, I would be pleased to hear from you!

Ultimate.Conj · 24-10-2016, 15:08

However people decide to watch their TV/Films the advertisers will follow. There never used to be ads On-Demand, but they have slowly crept their way there. Even Sky has advertising on Sky Go programming too.

OLD BOY · 24-10-2016, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

However people decide to watch their TV/Films the advertisers will follow. There never used to be ads On-Demand, but they have slowly crept their way there. Even Sky has advertising on Sky Go programming too.

Advertising on the players was always going to happen. Otherwise, how was the programming to be paid for?

Netflix and Amazon rely on subscription money for their funding and I cannot see them ever interrupting their content with unskippable advertisements.

Ultimate.Conj · 24-10-2016, 15:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Advertising on the players was always going to happen. Otherwise, how was the programming to be paid for?

Netflix and Amazon rely on subscription money for their funding and I cannot see them ever interrupting their content with unskippable advertisements.

If subscriptions reach a peak level, would Netflix and Amazon turn down advertising revenue? Like yourself, I can't imagine them having ads during the shows/films people are watching, but they could bring them in before they start. Only time will tell :-)

OLD BOY · 24-10-2016, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

If subscriptions reach a peak level, would Netflix and Amazon turn down advertising revenue? Like yourself, I can't imagine them having ads during the shows/films people are watching, but they could bring them in before they start. Only time will tell :-)

If, contrary to the confirmation by Netflix's CEO that Netflix will not screen advertisements, they then decide to do so, my subscription with that company would cease. Simples. I am sure that a huge number would do the same.

Surely, if they wanted to draw in more money from advertising, they could offer an alternative subscription free service (or maybe a reduced subscription offer) with unskippable ads. This would have the attraction of bringing on board excluded customers who cannot afford to pay current subscription prices and make more money for them. That would be acceptable. Putting on ads for a full subscription service would not be.

dodgem22 · 24-10-2016, 18:01

still no concrete information on the V6 box release or price. Very frustrating

Andy C · 24-10-2016, 18:22

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Originally Posted by denphone

Yes l tried the link and it does not work.

The link does work. In my case it said, "Our new V6 box is coming to a living room near you soon. We'll let you know when it's ready for launch!"

-A

OLD BOY · 24-10-2016, 19:45

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Originally Posted by dodgem22

still no concrete information on the V6 box release or price. Very frustrating

The position is, the new box will be available in around December or January (I expect the latter is more likely. They will not announce the price much ahead of launch as this would give Sky the opportunity to steal a march on them.

You should not be frustrated because the current position has been known for some time. Late November is likely to be the very earliest time that any more information will be released. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was no information until early January.

Stephen · 24-10-2016, 20:12

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The position is, the new box will be available in around December or January (I expect the latter is more likely. They will not announce the price much ahead of launch as this would give Sky the opportunity to steal a march on them.

You should not be frustrated because the current position has been known for some time. Late November is likely to be the very earliest time that any more information will be released. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was no information until early January.

It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.

pythagoras · 24-10-2016, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Stephen

It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.

Agreed. I don't see how VM can compete unless the box is amazing and at an amazing price. For comparison Im getting sky Q silver 2TB box and a mini Q for the bedroom all channels and movies and sports(in Ultra HD) for an installation price of £60 (They need to install a dish and cabling as well as two boxes) and £42 a month for 12 months on a 12 month contract.

Regards

John

OLD BOY · 24-10-2016, 23:40

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Originally Posted by pythagoras

Agreed. I don't see how VM can compete unless the box is amazing and at an amazing price. For comparison Im getting sky Q silver 2TB box and a mini Q for the bedroom all channels and movies and sports(in Ultra HD) for an installation price of £60 (They need to install a dish and cabling as well as two boxes) and £42 a month for 12 months on a 12 month contract.

Regards

John

From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism

RichardCoulter · 25-10-2016, 00:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If, contrary to the confirmation by Netflix's CEO that Netflix will not screen advertisements, they then decide to do so, my subscription with that company would cease. Simples. I am sure that a huge number would do the same.

Surely, if they wanted to draw in more money from advertising, they could offer an alternative subscription free service (or maybe a reduced subscription offer) with unskippable ads. This would have the attraction of bringing on board excluded customers who cannot afford to pay current subscription prices and make more money for them. That would be acceptable. Putting on ads for a full subscription service would not be.

They may offer a choice, like YouTube ie free/reduced price with advertising & a higher price for an advert free service.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The position is, the new box will be available in around December or January (I expect the latter is more likely. They will not announce the price much ahead of launch as this would give Sky the opportunity to steal a march on them.

You should not be frustrated because the current position has been known for some time. Late November is likely to be the very earliest time that any more information will be released. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was no information until early January.

...just as everybody has spent up after the festive seasons.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.

Absolutely.

denphone · 25-10-2016, 07:15

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism

Perhaps they are all being payed commission by the enemy OB.