Post-Brexit Thread

[techguyone]

We are also significantly less in landmass size than either Canada or Australia, plus we've been taking in those numbers for a long time now. In addition to that, we take in anyone with 2 arms or legs, you can't say the same for the other Countries, Australia in particular is vigorous in their system - if you're of no use to them, you ain't stopping.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by techguyone

We are also significantly less in landmass size than either Canada or Australia, plus we've been taking in those numbers for a long time now. In addition to that, we take in anyone with 2 arms or legs, you can't say the same for the other Countries, Australia in particular is vigorous in their system - if you're of no use to them, you ain't stopping.

We have no shortage of land for development. There's more land given over to golf and grazing horses than housing. Much of those countries hardly anyone wants to live in - the vast majority of Canada's population reside in a fraction of the land mass, same for Australia. Nunavut is not a hot spot for migration.

I know Canada better than Australia and can assure you they've been taking in people in far higher quantities than us for longer. They were taking in over 200,000 skilled workers a year at the back end of last century.

So it's not actually the numbers you have a problem with, it's who? Just FYI Canada took in 25,000 Syrian refugees in a 3 month period end of last year / early this one. That on top of the families and other refugees coming to the country. Canada has plenty of migrants doing unskilled or semi-skilled work.

Never been anything stopping us controlling numbers from the Indian sub-continent. You know, a couple of countries immediately come to mind from around there whose unemployment rates are 50%+ higher than native Britons, and who when they are working earn significantly less.

Easier to blame EU migrants who have a higher employment rate and claim less welfare per head than those born here than ask the government why it did nothing about them I guess.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

We are also significantly less in landmass size than either Canada or Australia, plus we've been taking in those numbers for a long time now. In addition to that, we take in anyone with 2 arms or legs, you can't say the same for the other Countries, Australia in particular is vigorous in their system - if you're of no use to them, you ain't stopping.

Correct - yet another important point which is often overlooked. The UK simply cannot continue to absorb migrants at anything like the rate over the last decade. The only question is when we act and I'd prefer we were able to excercise full control as soon as possible so that we can admit the people we really need, give work permits etc. but not continue to confer citizenship rights etc. The idea that we need more migrants to look after an ageing population is self-fulfilling unless we can control who comes here and how long they are allowed to remain.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Correct - yet another important point which is often overlooked. The UK simply cannot continue to absorb migrants at anything like the rate over the last decade. The only question is when we act and I'd prefer we were able to excercise full control as soon as possible so that we can admit the people we really need, give work permits etc. but not continue to confer citizenship rights etc. The idea that we need more migrants to look after an ageing population is self-fulfilling unless we can control who comes here and how long they are allowed to remain.

That's just a giant Ponzi scheme and we all know that they end in tears for the majority.

[Ignitionnet]

What now?

Leading foreign academics acting as expert advisers to the UK government have been told they will not be asked to contribute to any government analysis and reports on Brexit because they are not British nationals.

Sara Hagemann, an assistant professor at the London School of Economics who specialises in EU policymaking processes, EU treaty matters, the role of national parliaments and the consequences of EU enlargements, said she had been told her services would not be required. Hagemann tweeted on Thursday:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

What now?

Pretty much means Mark Carney is gone. If foreigners can't advise on Brexit then his job must be untenable as head of the BoE? They've gone as far as dual nationality as well.

One of the group is understood to be a dual national, with citizenship of both the UK and another EU member state.

Liam Fox (i think) said that we would get the best trade negotiators from around the world to help and advise. I guess he didn't clear that with May.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

We have no shortage of land for development. There's more land given over to golf and grazing horses than housing. Much of those countries hardly anyone wants to live in - the vast majority of Canada's population reside in a fraction of the land mass, same for Australia. Nunavut is not a hot spot for migration.

Neither is Ilkley Moor nor Saddleworth moor.

I know Canada better than Australia and can assure you they've been taking in people in far higher quantities than us for longer. They were taking in over 200,000 skilled workers a year at the back end of last century.

I'm glad you qualified this with the word "Skilled". Both Canada and Australia were relatvely "young" countries recently released from the yolk of Empire. Both had a shortage of "Skilled" workers to expand the economy of their respective countries.

So it's not actually the numbers you have a problem with, it's who? Just FYI Canada took in 25,000 Syrian refugees in a 3 month period end of last year / early this one. That on top of the families and other refugees coming to the country. Canada has plenty of migrants doing unskilled or semi-skilled work.

I don't care about "who" FYI in 1972 the UK took in 27, 200 refugees (within the same period) from Uganda alone. I care more about the fact we no longer have the infrastructre to support those already here and our own citizens. That is what I care about.

Never been anything stopping us controlling numbers from the Indian sub-continent. You know, a couple of countries immediately come to mind from around there whose unemployment rates are 50%+ higher than native Britons, and who when they are working earn significantly less.

Unfortunately that is a legacy of "Empire" Many from last century were citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies which gave them a right to come here at the time (we'd raped their countries after all).

Easier to blame EU migrants who have a higher employment rate and claim less welfare per head than those born here than ask the government why it did nothing about them I guess.

I have no problem with anyone from the EU (or anywhere else) that has the skills to do a job that someone from this country doesn't have.

A gentle reminder that we prefer members not to type their replies within quote tags. It makes subsequent replies to your posts a lot more fiddly.

[pip08456]

Sorry Chris, will not do that in future but it does make it harder to respond to points in a long post.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
We have no shortage of land for development. There's more land given over to golf and grazing horses than housing. Much of those countries hardly anyone wants to live in - the vast majority of Canada's population reside in a fraction of the land mass, same for Australia. Nunavut is not a hot spot for migration.

Neither is Ilkley Moor nor Saddleworth Moor.

I know Canada better than Australia and can assure you they've been taking in people in far higher quantities than us for longer. They were taking in over 200,000 skilled workers a year at the back end of last century.

I'm glad you qualified this with the word "Skilled". Both Canada and Australia were relatvely "young" countries recently released from the yolk of Empire. Both had a shortage of "Skilled" workers to expand the economy of their respective countries.

So it's not actually the numbers you have a problem with, it's who? Just FYI Canada took in 25,000 Syrian refugees in a 3 month period end of last year / early this one. That on top of the families and other refugees coming to the country. Canada has plenty of migrants doing unskilled or semi-skilled work.

I don't care about "who" FYI in 1972 the UK took in 27, 200 refugees (within the same period) from Uganda alone. I care more about the fact we no longer have the infrastructre to support those already here and our own citizens. That is what I care about.

Never been anything stopping us controlling numbers from the Indian sub-continent. You know, a couple of countries immediately come to mind from around there whose unemployment rates are 50%+ higher than native Britons, and who when they are working earn significantly less.

Unfortunately that is a legacy of "Empire" Many from last century were citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies which gave them a right to come here at the time (we'd raped their countries after all).

Easier to blame EU migrants who have a higher employment rate and claim less welfare per head than those born here than ask the government why it did nothing about them I guess.

I have no problem with anyone from the EU (or anywhere else) that has the skills to do a job that someone from this country doesn't have.

[TheDaddy]

You could just wrap quote tags round each individual piece of text you want to quote pip, it's the speech bubble icon

each separate piece of text here

and here

[pip08456]

Ta for that TD.

[Osem]

Meantime back in Eurolalaland:

British expats living in the EU are suing European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker over his order to prevent informal Brexit discussions.
Mr Juncker insists there can be no negotiations until the UK triggers Article 50 - the withdrawal process.
The expat group wants immediate talks about the implications of Brexit for Britons living in other EU countries.
UK Prime Minister Theresa May has pledged to trigger Article 50 by the end of March.
But she also called for "preparatory work" with EU governments - before the official negotiations - to help smooth the process of UK withdrawal.
The non-profit association Fair Deal for Expats has issued a legal challenge against Mr Juncker at the European Court of Justice (ECJ). The group alleges that his "presidential order" concerning Brexit discussions is an "unlawful gagging order" which "must be annulled immediately".
Croft Solicitors, representing the expats in the case, told the BBC that "there is no such thing as a presidential order" in the European Commission.
Mr Juncker and some other European politicians have warned against an "a la carte" deal for the UK which might encourage other EU members to cherry-pick EU policies, unravelling the rulebook.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37586587

[heero_yuy]

EU chiefs face potential multi-billion pound lawsuits over threats to sever trade links with post-Brexit Britain.

Up to 30 non-EU countries who have struck deals with Europe are furious they may be banned from doing business with the UK.


They will warn tough-talking Eurocrats: “If you punish Britain, we’ll punish you.”

It raises the prospect of Brussels being forced to broker fresh deals with trading partners or be sued for breach of contract.

A simmering backlash has been detected by International Trade Secretary Liam Fox in talks with non-EU nations.

Linky

More trouble for EU la la land. Strengthens our hand considerably IMHO.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

More trouble for EU la la land. Strengthens our hand considerably IMHO.

Maybe we ought to consider setting up our own trading bloc with dissatified EU and non-EU countries alike.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

Meantime back in Eurolalaland:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37586587

Originally Posted by ntluser

Maybe we ought to consider setting up our own trading bloc with dissatified EU and non-EU countries alike.

what ! trade outside of the EU ? what about all the negative consequences and the fear of leaving mumys teat ? how can we possibly survive without orders from over there ,its almost like taking back control of our lives and our country ooh i feel faint .surely there's an EU rule against standing on your own ......