The state benefits system mega-thread. - Page 123

denphone · 01-10-2016, 10:07

Indeed lets hope this is the case Marty.

heero_yuy · 01-10-2016, 11:02

If those assessors that are freed up can concentrate on the skivers then it gets my vote, apart from being a relief for those with long term health issues.

denphone · 01-10-2016, 11:10

It will be interesting in what they class as chronic in the new criteria that is going to be drawn up.

Taf · 01-10-2016, 11:31

My son's conditon was classed as "chronic" i.e. lifelong, by one assessor. The next assessor said he would "grow out of it".

Ditto my daughter's condition. The second (same) assessor said she would "learn to cope".

Jimmy-J · 01-10-2016, 12:13

So, when does a chronic illness stop being chronic?

Rexz · 01-10-2016, 12:43

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So, when does a chronic illness stop being chronic?

When the government deems it so.

Taf · 01-10-2016, 13:22

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When the government deems it so.

I have heard of many with chronic conditions being miraculously cured at the stroke of a bureaucrat's pen or keyboard.

papa smurf · 01-10-2016, 13:45

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I have heard of many with chronic conditions being miraculously cured at the stroke of a bureaucrat's pen or keyboard.

or a court appearance

denphone · 01-10-2016, 13:48

Oh what glorious generalising stereotyping....

RichardCoulter · 01-10-2016, 15:29

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Finally common sense prevails http://news.sky.com/story/reassessme...mants-10600519

Excellent news for both our most vulnerable in society and the taxpayer.

All these benefit cuts have caused untold misery to the sick & disabled, yet cost more in administration than what they save.

I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!

pip08456 · 01-10-2016, 16:13

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I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!

You mean the ones you want sterilised so they can't reproduce?

heero_yuy · 01-10-2016, 16:56

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You mean the ones you want sterilised so they can't reproduce?

In the "Tomorrow File" (Lawrence Sanders) you had to have a procreation license before you were allowed to reproduce. Now there's an idea.

denphone · 01-10-2016, 17:57

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Excellent news for both our most vulnerable in society and the taxpayer.

All these benefit cuts have caused untold misery to the sick & disabled, yet cost more in administration than what they save.

I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!

The devil will be in the detail Richard.

RichardCoulter · 01-10-2016, 20:32

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Originally Posted by denphone

Oh what glorious generalising stereotyping....

Over the years I've met people like this. Then, when they or a close person ends up being sick or disabled, it's suddenly different.

They are "entitled to the help" because "they have paid into the system" and "are genuinely ill" (usually said in a tone of voice that suggests that nobody else has or is).

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You mean the ones you want sterilised so they can't reproduce?

I do not and have never advocated that people should be routinely sterilised simply because of illness or disability.

Don't you ever say this again, you piece of work.

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In the "Tomorrow File" (Lawrence Sanders) you had to have a procreation license before you were allowed to reproduce. Now there's an idea.

Agreed.

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The devil will be in the detail Richard.

Absolutely Den, there's nothing to stop them from chopping and changing what is deemed to be chronic, using this as a sweetener to the WRAG £30 cut or abolishing the WRAG component altogether. On the other hand, perhaps a General Election is around the corner

02-10-2016, 14:05

This announcement is a good first step and the concern over what constitutes chronic will also be explained soon and despite what some think it won't be the government deciding the criteria. Basically what will start to happen regarding disability benefits will be the recommendations the advisory board Cameron wanted during the 2010 election but binned after the election when there was nothing in it for his image anymore made. There is a big change in attitude in government and a desire to not only move away from osbournes attitude and approach but to be clearly seen to move away from it one of many reason's i suspect why there was no place for him after May took leadership.