Obese people and smokers to be refused surgery (now in review)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

We both made implications.

Can you? You're again making dangerous assumptions. Not everyone has a fixed lunchtime at which they can go for a run. People have things to do such as dentist or doctors appointments. daily errands etc.

Dangerous? Suggesting you can do things in a lunch break? Lolol. You seem like a excuse maker, you're over weight and you smoke too much and it's your fault. But you don't want to hear that, you don't want to eat healthy or stop smoking, you want it to be someone else's fault. Grow up!

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Go to asda buy 3 chickens for £10 3 lettuces 34p each, 2 packs of fresh tomatoes £1.60, 3 cucumbers £1.50, I pack of fresh peppers 87p, 1 bag of rolled Scottish oats £1, 15 mixed weight free range eggs £2,

Eat like that for 3 weeks

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

Dangerous? Suggesting you can do things in a lunch break? Lolol. You seem like a excuse maker, you're over weight and you smoke too much and it's your fault. But you don't want to hear that, you don't want to eat healthy or stop smoking, you want it to be someone else's fault. Grow up!

You appear to lack a basic grasp of comprehension of the English language so allow me to assist.

The assumptions that you are making are dangerous. Not the fact that exercising is dangerous (although it could be argued that it is in certain forms)

I'm quite aware that it's my choice to be both obese and to also smoke. I'm also quite aware that due to the fact I smoke I also pay significantly more tax to the government than a non smoker (if we were both to be on the same salary)

I also pay for private medical insurance (as part of my compensation package from my employer) for both myself and my partner.

The point I was making which you have so spectacularly missed (and in the process made yourself look rather foolish) is that in a free at point of service that we have in the NHS is that you cannot discriminate against a group of people placing a load on the system whilst in the same breath continue to treat those who also place a significant load on services.


Now, go and give your head a shake. Come back and lets try to have an adult discussion without you throwing your rattle out of your pram.

Oh an a loaf of bread,

You'll have porridge for breakfast, 2 boiled/scrambled eggs on toast for lunch, chicken salad for tea. All ate before 6pm then eat nothing after, try to walk where ever you can instead of taxi/bus/car. You'll feel better, look better, lose weight

An keep your personal insults to yourself,

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

Dangerous? Suggesting you can do things in a lunch break? Lolol. You seem like a excuse maker, you're over weight and you smoke too much and it's your fault. But you don't want to hear that, you don't want to eat healthy or stop smoking, you want it to be someone else's fault. Grow up!

---------- Post added at 19:06 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ----------

Go to asda buy 3 chickens for £10 3 lettuces 34p each, 2 packs of fresh tomatoes £1.60, 3 cucumbers £1.50, I pack of fresh peppers 87p, 1 bag of rolled Scottish oats £1, 15 mixed weight free range eggs £2,

Eat like that for 3 weeks

to take this in a separate direction,

3 chickens for £10 shown and proved to be bred in poor conditions just meeting minimal animal health standards, pumped full of antibiotics...

Ah cheap fruit and veg, e.g tomatoes artificially ripened with Acetelyne gas.


Very healthy sounding.......

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

to take this in a separate direction,

3 chickens for £10 shown and proved to be bred in poor conditions just meeting minimal animal health standards, pumped full of antibiotics...

Ah cheap fruit and veg, e.g tomatoes artificially ripened with Acetelyne gas.


Very healthy sounding.......

Ohh i forgot cigarettes (which you smoke daily) are produced with your health and wellbeing in mind. That is hilarious , lolol

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

Oh an a loaf of bread,

You'll have porridge for breakfast, 2 boiled/scrambled eggs on toast for lunch, chicken salad for tea. All ate before 6pm then eat nothing after, try to walk where ever you can instead of taxi/bus/car. You'll feel better, look better, lose weight

An keep your personal insults to yourself,

The old adage

'Never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience'

Seems entirely appropriate here

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Originally Posted by S_james

Ohh i forgot cigarettes (which you smoke daily) are produced with your health and wellbeing in mind.

Show me anywhere in my past posts I have professed that cigarettes are healthy?

Yes, you may be able to buy three chickens for ten pounds, and tomatoes for ninety pence.

But at what cost to the animals & the workers who produce them? Or does that not count so long as you're all right ?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The old adage

'Never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience'

Seems entirely appropriate here

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Show me anywhere in my past posts I have professed that cigarettes are healthy?

Yes, you may be able to buy three chickens for ten pounds, and tomatoes for ninety pence.

But at what cost to the animals & the workers who produce them? Or does that not count so long as you're all right ?

At what cost to people who make cigarettes? Toxic working environments, exposed to cancerous chemicals daily. Will you stop buying tabaco products? Knowing those workers in tabaco factory's suffer DNA damage? Or is it ok because you smoke?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

At what cost to people who make cigarettes? Toxic working environments, exposed to cancerous chemicals daily. Will you stop buying tabaco products? Knowing those workers in tabaco factory's suffer DNA damage? Or is it ok because you smoke?

I've not said anywhere that it's OK nor is the production of tobacco products is safe.

Should we stop using coal? gold? platinum? batteries?

You are professing that the chicken, salad, veg etc. are healthy. I'm trying to point out to you that not only are they not as nutritionally healthy as you think they are (admittedly they are healthier than pre packed meals & fast food) but also the demands from people for cheap food lead to further issues.

The only way is to either A) grow your own produce. Or B) Buy from a local organic supplier that you can verify both the treatment and conditions of animals, vegetables and workers alike.

But yet you'll still buy tabaco products that harm/kill those that produce them?

You've said you're obese and a smoker, you've also advised against eating chicken and salad whilst you personally think smoking tabaco is ok. I still advise to people to eat lean meats and plenty of fruit and vegetables.

You stay obese and continue smoking, I will continue to eat as well as I can afford and exercise when I can. Let's see who has a better quality of life.

[Taf]

It's often not surgeons that are denying the ops, it's the anaesthetists who find it difficult to calculate safe doses.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

But yet you'll still buy tabaco products that harm/kill those that produce them?

What relevance does this have?

Do you buy petrol/diesel? Do you by gold/silver/platinum? Do you buy batteries? Have you ever had a mercury amalgam filling?

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Originally Posted by Taf

It's often not surgeons that are denying the ops, it's the anaesthetists who find it difficult to calculate safe doses.

But yet private health care can manage? A little odd?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by S_james

Ohh i forgot cigarettes (which you smoke daily) are produced with your health and wellbeing in mind. That is hilarious , lolol

I believe that smokers should pay for the increased cost of their healthcare- and they do.

The vast majority of the costs of a packet of cigarettes is made up of tax.

Of this tax, 20% is equivalent to the extra costs of treating smoking related illnesses.

The other 80% is pure profit for the Government to spend as it chooses.

If this is the way we are going though, why not charge those injured whilst playing sport, running or getting drunk etc?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I believe that smokers should pay for the increased cost of their healthcare- and they do.

The vast majority of the costs of a packet of cigarettes is made up of tax.

Of this tax, 20% is equivalent to the extra costs of treating smoking related illnesses.

The other 80% is pure profit for the Government to spend as it chooses.

If this is the way we are going though, why not charge those injured whilst playing sport, running or getting drunk etc?

Precisely the same question I raised, yet it strangely remains unanswered.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What relevance does this have?

Do you buy petrol/diesel? Do you by gold/silver/platinum? Do you buy batteries? Have you ever had a mercury amalgam filling?

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But yet private health care can manage? A little odd?

It's a fact most people with private health care are also more health aware and less likely to smoke , drink too much , be over weight.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by S_james

It's a fact most people with private health care are also more health aware and less likely to smoke , drink too much , be over weight.

Evidence to back up that claim?

Yup, none.