Vote rigging in Muslim communities "goes unchallenged because PC police are scared"

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Exaggerated or not that any of them think they can do that in the UK demonstrates the problem it is not acceptable for a single muslim to go onto our streets and conduct "patrols" and it is ongoing. Most really bad thing's start small and are not seen by many until it becomes a much bigger problem and starts affecting greater numbers this is not an islamic state and i hope it never will be and it's time to start coming down very hard on the element that thinks doing anything other then peacefully following their faith is acceptable.

Actually your dead right . Thinking about it and looking past the exaggeration the Daily Mail tends to put on stories concerning Muslims ,it is completely unacceptable .Laws and public morality are not set by religion in this country anymore and as such no Muslim has the right to tell anyone how to behave anymore than Jehovah Witnesses have to accost a person in their home or on the street

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Exaggerated or not that any of them think they can do that in the UK demonstrates the problem it is not acceptable for a single muslim to go onto our streets and conduct "patrols" and it is ongoing. Most really bad thing's start small and are not seen by many until it becomes a much bigger problem and starts affecting greater numbers this is not an islamic state and i hope it never will be and it's time to start coming down very hard on the element that thinks doing anything other then peacefully following their faith is acceptable.

I think they were quite harshly dealt with and I'm glad they were, their antics were a complete liberty and will never be acceptable here. Interesting that yet another troubled young man found solace in radical islam, I'm much more concerned about what's going on inside our prisons than what's happening on the streets of Shoreditch where I can guarantee if they'd tried that rubbish on the high street they'd be regretting their actions even more so than they are today.

Well prison's are an entirely different subject that many of us will vehemently disagree on lol.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

It was stated on this forum about photo Id. When going to the polls. I cannot understand why it has not been brought out.
If you think we have - Drivers ID, etc. and on such as important events such as elections. I think this is paramount.

You just have to look at the Corbyn crap. It wouldn't surprise me if that hasn't happened there.

If l am not wrong. The Labour Party revealed that some 'members' have been excluded

In hindsight a national ID card may not be such a bad idea one form of ID that makes things more secure and would help solve more problems then it would create.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

In hindsight a national ID card may not be such a bad idea one form of ID that makes things more secure and would help solve more problems then it would create.

I can't understand why so many people are against them aside from the fact that the government would be in charge of the introduction and their history of big IT projects is somewhat flaky

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

In hindsight a national ID card may not be such a bad idea one form of ID that makes things more secure and would help solve more problems then it would create.

There are more than enough fake forms of id already. Let's face it, any id is not going to be thoroughly checked in that situation. There isn't the time, inclination, or the mass technology required. The basis of the problem is too embedded.

Other countries manage it yes their is forgery but for passable quality forgeries the cost is prohibitive for normal people and I'm sure we can come up with something. For the last couple of years I've had a nagging feeling we're at or very quickly aporoaching an irreversible fork in the road for how we proceed towards the future and i don't see a happy ever after branch just a bad and worse choice.

Whatever happens things need to get tougher for those who choose to come and live here, not only do they need to come with the understanding the onus is now on them to integrate and adapt to the UK it's customs, culture and type of society but if they don't then they will be removed enough of bending over backwards as we have in the past.

[nomadking]

But do other countries have the same level of underlying problem as we have here?

How thorough would any id checks be? And who does the checking?

[Gary L]

I believe ID cards wil only work for people who obey the law.

the ones that don't obey the law the cards won't be of any use to.

which defeats the point of it all really.

it's a bit like do you insure/tax and MOT your car. or do you not bother.

and drive for weeks and months without anyone noticing or caring.
some may notice and care. obviously.

but they're the wrong people to be able to do anything about it.

We can't carry on as we have it doesn't work it just creates problems and splits in society and increases resentment some of which showed in the EU referendum we had a large group of people shouting out for real change. I don't want the society of the UK to be split into groups each with growing resentment and dislike that at some point will turn to hatred and violence towards each other and it is happening. In some cases like i hope with the UK it's a slow burn with chances to prevent it but it can also just explode because of events and things go very bad very quick.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We have been so busy being open, tolerant and multi cultural in the last couple of decades we've allowed an enemy to not just enter the country but setup strongholds and support mechanisms. This is all going to get very unpleasant soon people have had enough and how can we lecture anyone about britishness when we're so reluctant to demonstrate it lest we be called racists. The english flag has been hijacked by the far right and nothing was really done about it our society and culture is so worried about how others may view it we rarely celebrate it.

At this point I'm not sure it has a peaceful solution as we've let things go too far in too many area's. Some friends in london talk about groups of muslim men in certain parts of our capital city patrolling harassing and intimidating people who are doing anything they view as offensive to islam and there are a growing amount of videos popping up showing it as well. For most of my life I've defended different cultures and it saddens me to see the tolerance and open mindedness of the UK being abused and i now believe we are heading down a road that ends with violence. I'd wish i could say it won't happen in my lifetime but i don't want my kids living in that sort of society and i honestly don't think it's too far into the future.

Absolutely.

I still think that Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood" speech will come true*, except that it may not necessarily be between whites and non whites, but between the many different races that we've allowed into our country.

* It could be argued that it's started already with the murder of Lee Rigby etc etc.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

but between the many different races that we've allowed into our country

I am sensing that you disagree with this?

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am sensing that you disagree with this?

I think he means the Celts, the Picts, the Romans, The Jutes, the Angles, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Normans, the Huguenots, and the Germans (the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas)

[tweetiepooh]

But these have mostly been absorbed into a single culture, with some differences, whereas some more recent incomers don't want to do this and want to enforce their cultures.

I can understand incomers want to keep (some of) their identity and that's fine, it's what make the UK so interesting. I can even understand they want to group together. What isn't right is that they want to force changes in our law to accommodate things we may not agree with (trying to be careful here, please take this in the right way).