Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I think generalisations on all sides need to stop my wealthy brother voted leave as did many of his social circle that's one of the things remain failed to grasp a desire for sovereignty existed in all social classes and backgrounds. I also believe that's why the economic scare tactics failed so miserably as I asked on this forum what price independence and sovereignty and those were two strong motivator's to leave that remain could never counter.

I think I'm going to take a break from forums and social media in general for a bit as all the sore loser whining is annoying me and it's ironic because it's the attitude of remain that created the disconnect between institution and the people that created this whole situation in the first place the complete belief that you are right and anyone that disagrees is wrong, what goes round comes around.

I think the scare tactics failed because when you leave a huge portion of society with nothing to lose, they have nothing to lose. So millionaire Londoners telling long term unemployed northerners they will lose jobs has no impact as the jobs went to European countries many years ago!

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

If the vote were held again on Monday remain would win by a country mile now the reality of it all has hit home.

LOL Bless

Kleenex should help

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

LOL Bless

Kleenex should help

I think he's right, I'm listening to the radio now and the lack of knowledge some voters are showing is shocking, astounding even, one woman who claimed to be smart and had a good job even going as far as working for the EU at one point had no idea that we actually vote for meps!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-to-leave-it/

David Lammy says ignore result, I won't change the habit of a lifetime and agree with him and it's not a good idea imo but I wouldn't be against a second referendum, most certainly given what I'm currently hearing, which are a bunch of reasons to leave not actually ascociated with the EU!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7102931.html

Nearly 3 million now Chris

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3765.html

[TheDaddy]

Ugh you might have been right Russ, thought you were over egging things a bit but this is the tip of the iceberg

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/is-thi...rexit-5965720/

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3623.html

So let's say we have a rerun as damaging as that will be and this time remain win, leave is going to want a third referendum and should get it after all they would be one each at that point so a third referendum couldn't reasonably be refused. Where does it stop, everyone knew when the referendum was they knew what it was about the country voted and voted to leave and the reasons given for why there should be a second referendum could apply to any election in this country. What's become very clear is we have an influential group of people who don't really care about democracy unless it's giving them what they want and are more then happy to ignore a democratic vote when it isn't what they want.

This would set a very destabilising precedent if a second referendum was held and for that reason I don't support it, that's not even taking into account the damage the last one did are we really wanting to go through that again. Right now as a result of our referendum other citizens of EU member states want that vote for themselves and we need to abide by ours not just for our stability but for those others to get their say.

I find it amusing that the remain camp are throwing the "selfish" tag at leave voters given they are asking for another referendum for their selfish reasons it is perfectly in keeping with the tone of the campaign we had and it's just as bad and pathetic.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No one said that - what actually happened was that the pollsters reported that the demographic breakdown of those who said they were going to vote to Leave were mainly older working class people who had not undertaken Higher Education; the tabloid rags (Mail, Express, etc.) then twisted this, and some Brexiteers played the Victim card and insisted Stay voters were saying this.

A few may have, but judging all Stay voters by these idiots is like classifying all Brexiteers by the EDL/NF supporters who also wanted to leave...

And this makes us stupid? I actually went back to college in my mid 30s to get higher education as did a lot of us. Sure I left school with nothing but in my 30 achieved 5 O levels and 2 Higher (Scotland) Levels.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm relatively low educated my maths is crap and so is my spelling, I got low grades in school and as I got older just about managed to get myself through Uni to get a Foundation Degree/HND.

I have had different jobs in the manufacturing industry, served 2 years in the Navy (wasn't for me) and now work for the NHS as a Band 2 clinical support worker on 18k a year.

Take it how you want. I still got a vote and I voted out.

We could talk about all these EU GOVs and even our own who are much better educated than me but then where has that got us.

Sometimes common sense out weighs education don't you think

And don't you think the reason the older generation voted leave is because we had enough after 43 years? There is no substitute for experience.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think he's right, I'm listening to the radio now and the lack of knowledge some voters are showing is shocking, astounding even, one woman who claimed to be smart and had a good job even going as far as working for the EU at one point had no idea that we actually vote for meps!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-to-leave-it/

David Lammy says ignore result, I won't change the habit of a lifetime and agree with him and it's not a good idea imo but I wouldn't be against a second referendum, most certainly given what I'm currently hearing, which are a bunch of reasons to leave not actually ascociated with the EU!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7102931.html

Nearly 3 million now Chris

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3765.html

What about the two stupid reasons for remain that kept coming up? Roaming charges and holidays is a hell of a silly reason to base a remain vote on. What's best for the UK was mine and most leavers reason.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So let's say we have a rerun as damaging as that will be and this time remain win, leave is going to want a third referendum and should get it after all they would be one each at that point so a third referendum couldn't reasonably be refused. Where does it stop, everyone knew when the referendum was they knew what it was about the country voted and voted to leave and the reasons given for why there should be a second referendum could apply to any election in this country. What's become very clear is we have an influential group of people who don't really care about democracy unless it's giving them what they want and are more then happy to ignore a democratic vote when it isn't what they want.

This would set a very destabilising precedent if a second referendum was held and for that reason I don't support it, that's not even taking into account the damage the last one did are we really wanting to go through that again. Right now as a result of our referendum other citizens of EU member states want that vote for themselves and we need to abide by ours not just for our stability but for those others to get their say.

I find it amusing that the remain camp are throwing the "selfish" tag at leave voters given they are asking for another referendum for their selfish reasons it is perfectly in keeping with the tone of the campaign we had and it's just as bad and pathetic.

I doubt you'd have objected had this come to pass

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

And this makes us stupid? I actually went back to college in my mid 30s to get higher education as did a lot of us. Sure I left school with nothing but in my 30 achieved 5 O levels and 2 Higher (Scotland) Levels.

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And don't you think the reason the older generation voted leave is because we had enough after 43 years? There is no substitute for experience.

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What about the two stupid reasons for remain that kept coming up? Roaming charges and holidays is a hell of a silly reason to base a remain vote on. What's best for the UK was mine and most leavers reason.

At least there real reasons, no matter how silly they're not made up like those bozos were last night, I was actually embarrassed for them, clutching at straws and grasping around for soundbites

[ntluser]

It's a shame that the EU could not be more proactive.

The EU referendum result clearly shows the UK as a conflicted nation.

The EU itself is in need of reform, This is a wonderful opportunity to reform the EU and present the UK and other EU countries with a deal that keeps the UK in the EU but on better terms.

It's possible to keep the UK in the EU if there is good will and flexibility on both sides.

It would also keep the UK as the United Kingdom as I would be sorry to see Scotland leave, when it is not necessary.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Ugh you might have been right Russ, thought you were over egging things a bit but this is the tip of the iceberg

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/is-thi...rexit-5965720/

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3623.html

And for those who said my girlfriend had nothing to worry about, this is why I respectfully disagree. It does seems people feel they now have a legitimate cause to be racist

I feel ashame for being British right now

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

It's a shame that the EU could not be more proactive.

The EU referendum result clearly shows the UK as a conflicted nation.

The EU itself is in need of reform, This is a wonderful opportunity to reform the EU and present the UK and other EU countries with a deal that keeps the UK in the EU but on better terms.

It's possible to keep the UK in the EU if there is good will and flexibility on both sides.

It would also keep the UK as the United Kingdom as I would be sorry to see Scotland leave, when it is not necessary.

59% of Scots now support Independence.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/poll-...s-2856414.html

Originally Posted by Julian

So a poll suggests the demographic of those that voted out.

Well excuse me if I suggest that the poll is anything but fact given the polls' inability to correctly predict the result of the referendum.....

Yes, because part of the on-line polls are usually questions on age, marital status, salary, level of education, etc. - well, they are on YouGov...

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

And this makes us stupid?? I actually went back to college in my mid 30s to get higher education as did a lot of us. Sure I left school with nothing but in my 30 achieved 5 O levels and 2 Higher (Scotland) Levels.

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And don't you think the reason the older generation voted leave is because we had enough after 43 years? There is no substitute for experience.

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What about the two stupid reasons for remain that kept coming up? Roaming charges and holidays is a hell of a silly reason to base a remain vote on. What's best for the UK was mine and most leavers reason.

And as has been said many many times before, no one ever actually said this, except perhaps a few idiots on social media.

[techguyone]

It does get a bit irritating to be endlessly labelled.


Bigoted, racist, little english, fascist, uneducated. Will it ever stop?

Always seems to be one segment of society doing the labelling though :/

[ianch99]

I have been reading the last few pages of this thread and it is pretty depressing.

Ignitionnet has, for many weeks now, been an ardent supporter of the Leave campaign. His posts were well argued, he clearly had done a lot of research before posting and his replies to any responses were cogent.

He now, after looking at the aftermath of this vote and its implications, has doubts and he has questions.

So what does he get in reward for the effort he has put in in past weeks on behalf of the Leave campaign?

Abuse ..

He deserves better than that

IDS is now backing away from the £350 million claim as well. Quite funny watching him say 'we never said it would be spent on the NHS' next to a poster saying 'Let's spend the £350 million a week on the NHS'.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

IDS is now backing away from the £350 million claim as well. Quite funny watching him say 'we never said it would be spent on the NHS' next to a poster saying 'Let's spend the £350 million a week on the NHS'.

You will get replies that this was not official policy etc. which I am afraid is just denial.

Some people did vote for Leave on the back of promises like this and that is a fact.