Unstoppable migration?

[Gavin78]

70% of the 140 patients on my ward coming for dialysis are foreign with around 55% of the 70% being Asian.

Their treatment costs 50k a year so work that one out from the public purse vs contributions and renal failure is for life unless they get a transplant then you have to factor in other costs related to that

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

70% of the 140 patients on my ward coming for dialysis are foreign with around 55% of the 70% being Asian.

Their treatment costs 50k a year so work that one out from the public purse vs contributions and renal failure is for life unless they get a transplant then you have to factor in other costs related to that

I am puzzled how you know the nationality of these 100 patients?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am puzzled how you know the nationality of these 100 patients?

Plenty of evidence from other sources.
From 2013

One of the first letters I received was from a junior hospital doctor working close to Heathrow airport. ‘Every single week, I see people who have been flown in from all over the world with a variety of extremely serious health problems,’ he wrote. ‘Many of these people had to be wheelchaired on to the plane because they were too unwell to walk on board. I understand the temptation to come to Britain, but we often have our Intensive Therapy Unit full of patients without NHS numbers who are there for weeks or months with no means or intention to pay, which impacts on our resources.’

Let’s start with maternity health tourism, a massive and escalating problem. Foreign women often arrive in the UK in late pregnancy, often after detecting a complication. They come on a visitor’s visa and present to A&E while in labour. Often the patient refuses to pay, claiming that a childbirth qualifies as emergency care and therefore cannot be refused to anyone. In this way, the NHS can be used as the world’s maternity wing.

There are similar abuses in oncology, HIV, infertility and in the treatment of renal failure. Renal dialysis is probably the most costly form of abuse because the treatment needs to take place three times a week and may result in a kidney transplant. I am told of one example where a patient arrived in renal failure on a visitor’s visa and was blue-lighted to a hospital for dialysis. At the last count, this person has had 849 dialysis sessions as well as numerous other treatments.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am puzzled how you know the nationality of these 100 patients?

Wow did you actually read that I work for the NHS and I treat these patients 3x a week for 4 hours a day some have been coming to us for years.

How would I not know the nationality its my job

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Wow did you actually read that I work for the NHS and I treat these patients 3x a week for 4 hours a day some have been coming to us for years.

How would I not know the nationality its my job

I guess I must have missed the post where you give us your job details. Can you remind me so I can remember everyone's career and what they do in life?

70% of the 140 patients on my ward coming for dialysis are foreign with around 55% of the 70% being Asian.

Also, how is the percentage of foreign Asian patients relevant here?

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I guess I must have missed the post where you give us your job details. Can you remind me so I can remember everyone's career and what they do in life?



Also, how is the percentage of foreign Asian patients relevant here?

Well I said I worked on a Ward doing Dialysis 3 x a week I think it says it all but never mind.

As for a % the thread is titled Unstoppable migration I was highlighting those that get treated that are of none white English or not born here whether in the EU or from elsewhere.

Some do have jobs and some have contributed to the health service most have not or have come over here after family have moved here.

out of about 100 of those I would say at least half can't speak english or know just about enough to tell you the basics.

Considering migration is a big issues on the referendum I thought it was best to share a view of how it affects my ward.

Migration doesn't just have to be EU citizens does it?

[Taf]

I've been to Casualty Units where there are 2 posters. The first is written in several languages stating "This is my language", and the casualty is asked to identify their own language. The other is full of flags of nations in ase they say they can't read.

If they can't read, a translator is called to speak on the phone.

If they can read, out come laminated sheets of questions and answers.

The first questions usually stump many, but often the first, even for people from the EU:

"Are you registered with a GP in the UK?"

"Do you live in this country? If so provide proof of domicile"

"Are you a visitor to this country?"

"Are you a visitor from the EEC, if so do you have your European Health Card?"

"Do you have proof of identity?"

"Are you an asylum seeker. or do you have Leave to Remain in the UK?"

"Do you understand that if you are not entitled, you will be charged for all treatment?"

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well I said I worked on a Ward doing Dialysis 3 x a week I think it says it all but never mind.

As for a % the thread is titled Unstoppable migration I was highlighting those that get treated that are of none white English or not born here whether in the EU or from elsewhere.

Some do have jobs and some have contributed to the health service most have not or have come over here after family have moved here.

out of about 100 of those I would say at least half can't speak english or know just about enough to tell you the basics.

Considering migration is a big issues on the referendum I thought it was best to share a view of how it affects my ward.

Migration doesn't just have to be EU citizens does it?

You may have said you worked on a ward: I found a post mentioning "ward" this from March this year - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35829913-post31.html

I guess I just never read this or if I did I have forgotten .. never mind.

I get the title of the thread but what does their colour or race have to do with it? We get migration from all over the world? It is the amount you object not their race, correct?

[Osem]

Look why on Earth would anyone come to the UK just to enjoy free health care courtesy of the NHS? It'd be just as ridiculous as claiming people are choosing to live in squalor in Calais for years just to avoid claiming asylum in a safe EU country called France. It's all a right wing media invention and just doesn't happen...

[Gavin78]

I'm not on about race before you try and turn it into some kind of racist card.

But if you haven't got it by now then I'm wasting my time explaining it any further.

So moving along from this topic

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm not on about race before you try and turn it into some kind of racist card.

But if you haven't got it by now then I'm wasting my time explaining it any further.

So moving along from this topic

I suggest moving along from the particular poster not the topic because a lot of us know what you're saying is perfectly true but of course some folks won't ever admit it because to do so would show up the dross they've spouted for what it is.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm not on about race before you try and turn it into some kind of racist card.

But if you haven't got it by now then I'm wasting my time explaining it any further.

So moving along from this topic

You mentioned race. I am just trying to understand why ..

It is a pity I can't see Osem's posts as I am sure, judging by the number of posts, he is upset that someone has the gall to ask questions in his pet thread.

Good luck ..

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Osem

Look why on Earth would anyone come to the UK just tp enjoy free health care courtesy of the NHS? It'd be just as ridiculous as claiming people are choosing to live in squalor in Calais for years just to avoid claiming asylum in a safe EU country called France. It's all a right wing media invention and just doesn't happen...

Well it happens. An example we have had some patients that come from the czech they just stepped off a plane and did the rounds around the UK. they turned up on our ward for treatment and after an investigation we were told that day we couldn't treat them.

What happened 2 days later they came back and we were told we had to treat them. they stayed with us for about 2 months then went back home again.

6 months later we heard they were back in London but haven't heard from them up here.

Same again coming from the EU same results had to treat them then they went away we had to keep their space open for 2 months and they never came back had to give their spot away to another patient. then what after about 4 months they just turned up one day so we were told to treat them.

turns out their "tesio line" for treatment wasn't working and in their country they had to pay for a new one costing about £1,500 so what happened good old NHS paid for it.

They stayed with us for about 2 months then went back home again.

3 months later they came back this time they actually brought someone back with them they were friends in their home country and the guy couldn't even speak any english. but he also had renal failure.

What was the end result the Matron was on our ward that day after some meetings with her and the top brass they decided to hire a translator at the cost of £150 hr and even he struggled to get the information the trust needed.

So they treated him anyway. So they end result were is this woman and this man now...they went back home again.

Here is an example of another patient we used to have Article is from 2013

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3660419.html

She came here as a student and got ill had a transplant and the article explains the rest.


So do they come here to use the NHS yes renal failure as an example is long term only a transplant can cure it and this isn't a life long guarantee some fail right away some last 7+ years and then there is follow up app anti rejection drugs.

Treatment is around 50k a year per patient per year so you tell me someone in their own country that has to pay for it themselves has this kind of money?

[Ramrod]

That's shocking. I'm all for helping people but charity begins at home and this country can't pay for all it's needy as it is!

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[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You mentioned race. I am just trying to understand why ..

It is a pity I can't see Osem's posts as I am sure, judging by the number of posts, he is upset that someone has the gall to ask questions in his pet thread.

Good luck ..

I mentioned 140 patients coming to my ward for treatment and out of them 140 100 are of a different nationality.

Mostly Asian but it wasn't a race thing I was just giving the numbers you take it how you want