[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Damien it is normal when drawing up economic forecasts to cover the whole range of possibilities not just the worst case scenario which is all remain have put to the public and I've met enough people lately in positions to know that the government is withholding those reports which do not further it's agenda. Just to be clear our government is lying to the British people and deliberately withholding information that the public should have access too in order for them to make an informed choice, I have never been as embarassed and ashamed of my government as I am right now.

Sorry but this is pretty big if you have this information. You're saying the Government is withholding (presumably) treasury reports that speak positively of the impact of Brexit? Is there any evidence of this?

What about the reports from the institutions that are not Governmental? How are they withholding that? Did the Government place a ban on them?

[Ramrod]

Does the BBC never learn?
BBC Brexit Report Presented EU-Backed Professor As Independent ‘Trade Expert’

The report on the Six O’Clock News on BBC One this Wednesday included claims that the price of food would rise if Britain votes to leave the European Union
As part of that report, BBC Business Correspondent Emma Simpson interviewed Professor Catherine Barnard, asking for her analysis.....

Introduced simply as a “trade expert".....

At no point is Professor Barnard’s EU affiliation mentioned in the report. Instead, she is simply presented as an “expert”, with the on-screen description reading “University of Cambridge”.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Does the BBC never learn?
BBC Brexit Report Presented EU-Backed Professor As Independent ‘Trade Expert’

quite scary about the bacon at least when we leave we can have real bacon without a glass of water injected into it

i don't think the public are being fooled by so called experts this ongoing EU argument has put that avenue to bed .

[Gary L]

Dave was accused of waffling.
it's right though. he's done nothing but waffle for years now.

[Osem]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how the huge, well known and worsening problems evident within the EU/Eurozone over the last decade represent, somehow, less uncertainty than the UK getting out does.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Does the BBC never learn?
BBC Brexit Report Presented EU-Backed Professor As Independent ‘Trade Expert’

The hierarchy of the BBC is just another rich, out of touch, elite who have everything to gain from the UK being subsumed into some hideous Eurostate which exists purely to serve the few and the expense of the many. As much as they try to hide it in one way or another, their partiality doesn't surprise me one jot.

Originally Posted by Osem

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how the huge, well known and worsening problems evident within the EU/Eurozone over the last decade represent, somehow, less uncertainty than the UK getting out does.

Simply because the problems are known ,our glorious leaders have no will to do anything about those problems but they know exactly what they are .Leaving the EU would require our leaders to actually do what they are paid to do and lead the country away from those problems .Brings us back to the question of who could lead the country post exit ?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Dave was accused of waffling.
it's right though. he's done nothing but waffle for years now.

what i have seen is the man is a liar and treats the British people like idiots with his constant flow of lies and bull.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry but this is pretty big if you have this information. You're saying the Government is withholding (presumably) treasury reports that speak positively of the impact of Brexit? Is there any evidence of this?

What about the reports from the institutions that are not Governmental? How are they withholding that? Did the Government place a ban on them?

I'd like to see this too. I've already voted Leave but would be interested in it.

Yes Michael did very well. Especially fending off that idiot interviewer who kept interrupting him. Take back control is the message to get across.

[Ramrod]

This bears repeating:

“When it becomes serious, you have to lie”. (2013)

“There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”. (2015)

Jean-Claude Juncker - President of the European Commission, serving from 2014

"We're not here to make a single market – that doesn't interest me – but to make a political union." (1993)

Jacques Delors - President of the European Commission and the first person to serve three terms in that office (between January 1985 and January 1995)

"Europe's nations should be guided towards a super state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation."

Jean Monnet (1888 – 1979) - often described as the founder of the EU

Originally Posted by Ramrod

This bears repeating:





Jean-Claude Juncker - President of the European Commission, serving from 2014


Jacques Delors - President of the European Commission and the first person to serve three terms in that office (between January 1985 and January 1995)


Jean Monnet (1888 – 1979) - often described as the founder of the EU

It needs plastering across every front page and every Breaking news banner from now until voting day ,especially the statement by Jean Monnet because that is exactly what is happening right now .

[Ramrod]

Nah. I'm sure it was just a vague idea. Definitely not the founding principal

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

what i have seen is the man is a liar and treats the British people like idiots with his constant flow of lies and bull.

Very true. he's on a roll when he has the right audience who don't question him.

but when he gets someone who isn't going to listen to his waffle, lies and arrogance he goes all sheepish like a little kid.

one thing I've always said about him is he waffles on in response to something then he says LOOK! and hopes that he's scared the person enough not to question him any longer. and hopefully let him waffle on some more.

classic sign of a lying, slaphead bully.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I'd like to see this too. I've already voted Leave but would be interested in it.

Yes Michael did very well. Especially fending off that idiot interviewer who kept interrupting him. Take back control is the message to get across.

Seems The Gover is the new Tony Blair: all spin and no substance .. what do experts know anyway ..

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Dave was accused of waffling.
it's right though. he's done nothing but waffle for years now.

He's a lying two-faced Mod Edit - removed. At least Corbyn is honest. His heart isn't in his speeches and you can tell. What the betting he'll vote Leave in the privacy of the polling booth.

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Any report that shows any positive from brexit is not being made available to the public and there have been reports by the treasury, Ons and ifs and no one working for them is prepared to risk their jobs by leaking them. My information comes from conversations I've had with a number of people who I have known for years I know they hold the positions they do and have zero reason to doubt them one especially as she is a very pro EU person but doesn't feel it is right that information is being withheld from the public and she is having the courage of her convictions and has already handed her resignation in.

I could be a git and throw names around on a public forum maybe two names would be recognised by some but the conversations were at a private social gathering and there was no mention of publicising those conversations so it would be wrong for me to do so. It will come out later down the road everyone seemed to agree it would get out but at a time when it no longer matters.

Reality is are we expected to believe that brexit is the first incident where a mountain of economic study has been done and it's all completely negative not a single small ray of light of positivity that's more then a bit of a stretch. As for other non UK economic organisation's and why they are only putting out one type of report I don't know but there are many within those organisation's that are pro EU and as mentioned many times but not really countered they have got nearly every big economic issue wrong in recent times so how they are credible and should be listened too is beyond me.