[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 142

Ramrod · 22-05-2016, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well they've been talking for 10 years and haven't gotten anywhere so it's can't be that easy.

Looking at your posts in this thread......I have to ask, is Brussels paying you to post here?

Osem · 22-05-2016, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well they've been talking for 10 years and haven't gotten anywhere so it's can't be that easy.

How easy it is will depend on leverage and right now Turkey has quite a lot being the border between the EU and chaos.

Unless you really, genuinely, believe they'll never be admitted nothing else matters, the damage will be done whether they're admitted sooner or later. The effect will be the same.

22-05-2016, 19:58

Veto obtained by treaty can just as easily be abolished by treaty and our veto has been less effective as time has gone by so having faith in that is not a sound strategy. EU membership is more about convenience for Brussels then anything we already have members who didn't actually meet the full criteria so the criteria got changed and hey hey in came new members. Once this referendum is over and pending how many if anymore take place in other nations there will be another jolly creating a new treaty and that will show us all how valued we are.

22-05-2016, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Osem

How easy it is will depend on leverage and right now Turkey has quite a lot being the border between the EU and chaos.

Unless you really, genuinely, believe they'll never be admitted nothing else matters, the damage will be done whether they're admitted sooner or later. The effect will be the same.

They don't need to be admitted to the club ,just through the door which will happen in June this year

**Damien** · 22-05-2016, 20:04

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Originally Posted by martyh

They don't need to be admitted to the club ,just through the door which will happen in June this year

No. It's not the same thing. Visa-free travel is not free movement. It does not give right to work or right to reside.

It quite simply is not true.

22-05-2016, 20:09

Can I get a link for the information that Turkey will not become a member of the EU? and despite what the rules may be visa free travel will end up with a lot of Turks making a beeline for the UK and once here what exactly?. We already have a couple of million illegal immigrants here that we can't seem to get rid off how exactly does that situation get better by us remaining in the EU?.

22-05-2016, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Damien

No. It's not the same thing. Visa-free travel is not free movement. It does not give right to work or right to reside.

It quite simply is not true.

Damien ,what makes you think that a lot of the newly admitted Turks will actually care about what they are allowed to do or not do once they are across the border ,we have thousands of black market workers in this country from Europe what makes you think Turkish "visitors" will be any different.
Any open border policy is a mistake ,that has been proven time and time again

**Damien** · 22-05-2016, 20:14

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Originally Posted by martyh

Damien ,what makes you think that a lot of the newly admitted Turks will actually care about what they are allowed to do or not do once they are across the border ,we have thousands of black market workers in this country from Europe what makes you think Turkish "visitors" will be any different.
Any open border policy is a mistake ,that has been proven time and time again

If they're going to come into the country and live and work illegally then they could do now. What difference does it make?

22-05-2016, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Damien

If they're going to come into the country and live and work illegally then they could do now. What difference does it make?

Because they can get in easier .Whichever way the vote goes allowing Turkey easier access to Europe is wrong

**Damien** · 22-05-2016, 20:21

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Originally Posted by martyh

Because they can get in easier .Whichever way the vote goes allowing Turkey easier access to Europe is wrong

How are they going to get into Britain easier? We still check whose coming in. If they choose to not leave that would be the same either way and since they're not an EU member they face the same checks as they otherwise would or any other nation would.

22-05-2016, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Damien

How are they going to get into Britain easier? We still check whose coming in. If they choose to not leave that would be the same either way.

Because we are incapable of controlling our borders ,it's naive to think that allowing millions of Turks free travel into Europe ,albeit with a biometric passport ,won't cause problems for us even if we vote out .

**Damien** · 22-05-2016, 20:34

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Originally Posted by martyh

Because we are incapable of controlling our borders ,it's naive to think that allowing millions of Turks free travel into Europe ,albeit with a biometric passport ,won't cause problems for us even if we vote out .

Well on that we agree. I am not a fan of borderless Europe but this particular question would not be addressed by a Leave vote, it impacts us either way.

22-05-2016, 20:47

If we leave we and we alone will be responsible for our borders and will be better able to make decisions and take measures to secure those borders not having to wait for direction from the EU or being hamstrung by EU legislation. It will give us an edge we do not have right now plus after withdrawal we will not be bound by any treaty. That's how leaving may help us in dealing with immigration, how will immigration be helped if we choose to remain?.

adzii_nufc · 22-05-2016, 22:38

Erdogan and Turkey in the EU, seriously?

Do we know who vetoes when they announce the result? Or is it anonymous? I'd be a lot more than worried if the UK were the only country to veto Turkey with that lunatic pulling strings and their current state.

Maybe we'd benefit from some cheap oil courtesy of ISIS given it miraculously finds its way into Turkey consistently.

Its not all bad though, imagine the new ice cream stalls doing fancy tricks at your seaside town whilst lobbing a kebab round his ear.

**Hugh** · 22-05-2016, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Looking at your posts in this thread......I have to ask, is Brussels paying you to post here?

When in doubt, smear?

I have to ask - are Boris, IDS, and Nigel paying you to post here, or could it be that you, like Damien with his views (even though they are diametrically opposed to yours), actually believe in what you post, and it would be insulting to insinuate that you (or Damien) have ulterior motives?