[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I heard somewhere that if we stay in the EU, there will be free BMWs and Audis for people - don't know how much truth there is in that but money talks. Even if there was a small chance of a free Audi or BMW, I wonder if it would enticed them to vote Stay.

I actually like being able to use indicators, obey speed limits and park. Being forced to take a free BMW or Audi would make me more likely to vote Brexit.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I actually like being able to use indicators, obey speed limits and park. Being forced to take a free BMW or Audi would make me more likely to vote Brexit.

Well, having had both, I found the indicators and speedo worked fine - but I am a carp parker, tbf.

I have found lately that a lot of drivers, in many different cars, seem not to have been taught "mirror, signal, maneuveur" - it seems to be "maneuver, mirror, maybe signal"...

Tchhhh - kids today, get off my lawn, etc. etc....

[Osem]

The government is to spend more than £9m on sending a leaflet to every UK household setting out the case for remaining in the European Union.

The 14 page document, to be sent to 27 million homes, is designed to respond to public demand for more details about the EU referendum by setting out the facts behind the government's position.

The move has sparked fresh complaints from those campaigning to leave the EU.

Tory MP Bernard Jenkin said it was "an outrageous abuse of taxpayers money".

The mailshot "flies in the face of the government's claim that they want a fair referendum", he added.

The Royal Mail will start delivering the leaflet to households in England next week and in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland after 5 May devolved elections.

A digital version will be advertised on social media and available on a new website: www.eureferendum.gov.uk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35980571

Wonder of they'll give the out campaign £9m to help put their case, in the interests of fairness.

[denphone]

Somehow l don't think they will..

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35980571

Wonder of they'll give the out campaign £9m to help put their case, in the interests of fairness.

To be clear the Government is behind a Remain vote and is campaigning for it alongside the Whitehall machinery. It has not sought to be a neutral observer in this as far as I am aware.

That said I agree it shouldn't be done or that public money should be spent equally between the sides (I think we should have publicly funded elections too). They did this during the Scottish Referendum too and, again I was on their side, I didn't like it then either.

I am not sure if the government should be neutral though. If they believe something is in the best interests of the nation should they keep quiet? I guess probably so because otherwise the civil servants are paid by us so it amounts to the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, having had both, I found the indicators and speedo worked fine - but I am a carp parker, tbf.

I have found lately that a lot of drivers, in many different cars, seem not to have been taught "mirror, signal, maneuveur" - it seems to be "maneuver, mirror, maybe signal"...

Tchhhh - kids today, get off my lawn, etc. etc....

I'll tell you what's worse. 'safe' drivers. People who think they're driving safely but act unpredictably, Stopping where there is no need to stop. People who stop to give way when it's their right of way obvious to the fact that the cars behind aren't expecting it. People who do 20 miles below the limit on a duel carriage way for no apparent reason other the perception slow speeds are always safer. Stopping before joining a roundabout when it's clear no one is on it as you approach.

Did they not used to teach this? When I learnt to drive the concept of being predictable and to consider other drivers was drilled into you. If you gave way when it's your right of way you would quite possibly fail there and then. Spending too long to join a roundabout about be a minor infraction for undue hesitation, as would driving too slow (and would be a major if you did it for too long).

[Osem]

@ Damien - I don't expect HMG to be neutral, they want us to stay in, but I do expect that if taxpayer's money is involved they ought to at least make mention of some of the downsides of staying in. It'll be interesting to see whether they at least attempt some balance when presenting the argument.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I have found lately that a lot of drivers, in many different cars, seem not to have been taught "mirror, signal, maneuveur" - it seems to be "maneuver, mirror, maybe signal"...

People don't signal anymore simply because it makes them look soft.

it's a bit like a Chav saying excuse me, please and thank you.

his mates would laugh him out of town.

Originally Posted by Osem

@ Damien - I don't expect HMG to be neutral, they want us to stay in, but I do expect that if taxpayer's money is involved they ought to at least make mention of some of the downsides of staying in. It'll be interesting to see whether they at least attempt some balance when presenting the argument.

They do appear to be given some money to the Leave campaign but then it states the same money will given to the Remain campaign which makes it seem this is separate from those funds.

The thing is if HMG aren't neutral then we're paying civil servants to help political campaigning. I can see why they shouldn't be neutral but at the same time it makes me uneasy. Not really sure how to square that aspect of it.

Still this is obviously a bit much if they don't give the same chance to the Leave campaign.

[Gary L]

If you don't like Dave vote OUT.
If you like puppies vote OUT.

I think most people will just vote OUT anyway. even though they hate Dave and love puppies.

[denphone]

My great worry with you Gary is your predictions are generally well out as we have seen in the past.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by denphone

My great worry with you Gary is your predictions are generally well out as we have seen in the past.

But I've got my magic powers back. so I can control the future properly now

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Actually what I said was "I heard somewhere' and "could be £25 - £500" not that they would be.

Yes you actually stated it as if we're actual money rather than a hypothetical scenario, we know that.

[TheDaddy]

Not quite what we've been asking for Dave, we wanted unbiased

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2016-0...to-every-home/

[Derek]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Not quite what we've been asking for Dave, we wanted unbiased

Not a chance, can't have the unwashed oiks getting the truth, much better to remind them of the correct way to vote so they don't have to be creative later on in their attempts to ignore a vote to leave.

[heero_yuy]

I hope the public recognise this for what it is: A blatent waste of taxpayers money on yet another EU biased piece of propoganda.

If they do, it might help the leave campaign. People don't like politicians telling them what to do. Just look at the Dutch.