More cuts from failing Osborne - Page 3

techguyone · 28-02-2016, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Osem

The extent to which Osborne will be judged harshly will be determined mainly by how well, or badly, the UK is doing compared to the rest of Europe and other countries. Right now we're still growing when much of the EU either isn't or is hardly at all. The final choice at election time will not only be down to how well the electorate believe he's performed but also how credible the alternative is. Right now Labour's looking unelectable and the longer that carries on the less Osborne has to worry about.

No. They won't.

They won't give a toss about any other countries, they'll care about the one they are in. The one that affects them. Personally.

The next election isn't in the scope of this thread.

Mr K · 28-02-2016, 11:24

George promised to get rid of the national debt by the end of his first parliament. Not only did he massively fail but , despite all the pain, it's continued to rise to £1.53 trillion! Just as well he's not on performance related pay.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

We had the hint of a recovery but his 'medicine' has killed it. Things are looking very gloomy again. How he and his Govt. got re-elected continues to amaze me.

Osem · 28-02-2016, 12:43

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Originally Posted by techguyone

No. They won't.

They won't give a toss about any other countries, they'll care about the one they are in. The one that affects them. Personally.

The next election isn't in the scope of this thread.

Gonna have to agree to disagree about that and the next election is when any serious arse kicking by the electorate will be done and Labour's economic credibility at that point will matter hugely also. People are and will continue to be affected differently by everything which happens and if they were going to act in the way you describe why did the Tories, Osborne and austerity get elected less than 2 years ago?

richard s · 28-02-2016, 14:25

God knows why...

ntluser · 28-02-2016, 15:35

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Originally Posted by denphone

And MPs are to get 1.3% pay rise breaking the government's own cap.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...lic-sector-cap

It's a shame that our MPs don't lead by example.

They can't be surprised that other workers on lower salaries want a pay rise even more when they see overpaid MPs getting one.

Chrysalis · 29-02-2016, 00:33

Cutting expenditure wont fuel growth, but these people never learn.

spanna · 29-02-2016, 07:51

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Originally Posted by Mr K

George promised to get rid of the national debt by the end of his first parliament. Not only did he massively fail but , despite all the pain, it's continued to rise to £1.53 trillion! Just as well he's not on performance related pay.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

We had the hint of a recovery but his 'medicine' has killed it. Things are looking very gloomy again. How he and his Govt. got re-elected continues to amaze me.

errr no he didn't

I don't know if that is ignorance on your part or a lie

He promised to get rid of the deficit ... that is how much we have to borrow every year just to pay the bills .. and whilst he hasn't got rid of it he has reduced it year on year

Conflating it with the national debt is dishonest and designed to inflame those who don't realise the difference.

So just to recap ... until the deficit is gone the debt will keep on rising... the deficit was inherited after the crash ... The deficit is being reduced not as fast as promised but it is being reduced despite global economic turmoil

GrimUpNorth · 29-02-2016, 08:34

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Originally Posted by spanna

errr no he didn't

I don't know if that is ignorance on your part or a lie

He promised to get rid of the deficit ... that is how much we have to borrow every year just to pay the bills .. and whilst he hasn't got rid of it he has reduced it year on year

Conflating it with the national debt is dishonest and designed to inflame those who don't realise the difference.

So just to recap ... until the deficit is gone the debt will keep on rising... the deficit was inherited after the crash ... The deficit is being reduced not as fast as promised but it is being reduced despite global economic turmoil

So just to recap, even when a mistake in a previous post is corrected to show George was talking about getting rid of a smaller more manageable figure, he still failed so the rest of us will have to suffer some more. Well most of us unless you're a member of the Osborne family then it's nose in the trough as usual.

Cheers

Grim

**Hugh** · 29-02-2016, 09:06

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So just to recap, even when a mistake in a previous post is corrected to show George was talking about getting rid of a smaller more manageable figure, he still failed so the rest of us will have to suffer some more. Well most of us unless you're one of the hundreds of thousands of UK companies who offset their corporation tax because it's legal..

Cheers

Grim

Fixed that for you...

GrimUpNorth · 29-02-2016, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Fixed that for you...

Thanks Hugh but loosing the link to the article about the Osborne family business still managing to pay out £335,000 in dividends at the same time as things being so bad that it pays no corporation tax is poor editing. Unless you think what they are doing is morally acceptable?

Cheers

Grim

Osem · 29-02-2016, 09:16

While we're on about companies which arrange their affairs, legally, to minimise what they pay in tax, let's not forget all the celebrity luvvies, footballers, musicians, TV presenters, etc. etc. etc. who do exactly the same. Let's especially not forget those who at the same time preach 'morality' to the rest of us...

ianch99 · 29-02-2016, 09:23

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Thanks Hugh but loosing the link to the article about the Osborne family business still managing to pay out £335,000 in dividends at the same time as things being so bad that it pays no corporation tax is poor editing. Unless you think what they are doing is morally acceptable?

Cheers

Grim

especially as:

IFS report dispels Osborne’s myth that we’re “all in it together”

GrimUpNorth · 29-02-2016, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Osem

While we're on about companies which arrange their affairs, legally, to minimise what they pay in tax, let's not forget all the celebrity luvvies, footballers, musicians, TV presenters, etc. etc. etc. who do exactly the same. Let's especially not forget those who at the same time preach 'morality' to the rest of us...

Are these the same 'celebrities' who the government have named and shamed for using 'legal' tax minimising schemes?

Cheers

Grim

ntluser · 29-02-2016, 09:43

Small number of people at the top living in luxury. Millions of ordinary people living in austerity. I seem to remember something similar to that in France way back in 1789 and we all know what happened then.

heero_yuy · 29-02-2016, 09:51

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Originally Posted by ntluser

Small number of people at the top living in luxury. Millions of ordinary people living in austerity. I seem to remember something similar to that in France way back in 1789 and we all know what happened then.

Are you suggesting we'll be-head our aristo's including her majesty?

Mind you I wouldn't be aversed to seeing Blair's neck on the block.