UK Flooding

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by alferret

Invest in the environment? What like?

Like dredging rivers

[jamiefrost]

Dredging doesn't work, the minimal increase in flow of the river has no impact on the flooding as the water from the upstream catchment areas is far larger

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ameron-farmers


J

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Dredging doesn't work, the minimal increase in flow of the river has no impact on the flooding as the water from the upstream catchment areas is far larger

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ameron-farmers


J

Dredging alone might not but if we were investing in our environment instead of cutting all the time upstream drainage would be sorted at the same time. Still let's not worry, these freak weather events only happen once in a blue moon and Dave chaired a cobra meeting over the phone about it so that's sorted

[Arthurgray50@blu]

We go through flood problems each year, when bad weather hits the UK. I used to work in Wraysbury, which was hit badly last year.
Its not just about Global warning. Its about investment - something this and previous governments have forgotten about.
We spent millions on saving the financial section of London by building the Woolwich Barrier.

That was to protect the City of London. If there is a surge of tide up the Thames Estuary, the first place to get hit by flood water is Kent. That would be devastated.
I live near a river, and the river Thames.

We need investments in all area's that local councils feels it needs protecting.

Just heard on the radio that a councillor in Lancashire warned Cameron and Co several years ago that the area was a disaster waiting to happen.

The Environment agency has been cut over the years.

Put it this way, in Scotland, they have more rainfall than any other part of the UK. Does that suffer heavy flooding.

Maybe the members in Scotland can answer that one

The UK need investments on flooding.

[Stephen]

It doesn't matter how much or how little rain there is, if it is low lying flat land near a river then it will flood no matter what. Many areas don't see flooding because they are above see level. Look at hills or valleys for a start. I know I studied geography but I thought things like that would be common sense.

Down the road from me where the Clde flows between Rutherglen and Dalmarnock the road regularly floods and recently was that bad the road was impassable and the Tesco superstore was inaccessible for a couple of days!

Also there have been flood defences put in place to a lot of regularly flooded areas but sometimes there is even too much water that the defences aren't enough.

You really don't show much grasp of reality sometimes.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I have just googled various sites on how to prevent flooding. And loads of sites have come up with ideas and methods.
And people say this cannot be done.

Yes, it cost money, but if you take into account how much money is lost. Just think how much can be saved.

The best site l found was The BBC

So it can be done.

[Stephen]

We all know it can be done. It has been done in may parts of the UK but sometimes the flood waters get past the protection. Nothing is 100%

Also after last year the Government promised £2.3 Billion to help

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30282701

More than 1,400 flood defence projects are to receive funding to protect 300,000 homes, the Treasury has said.
The £2.3bn investment, which is not new money, will help prevent £30bn damage in areas including the Thames and Humber Estuaries in the next six years.
Other infrastructure, including roads, rail and the new garden city of Bicester have also been outlined this week ahead of the Autumn Statement.

[Ignitionnet]

Indeed. Having cut flood defence alongside a pile of other capital expenditure the government reinstated some.

Sadly the programme to protect Leeds City Centre from the Aire came too late. Shelved in 2011, only restarted this year with a reduced scale, cut by two thirds. The resultant economic damage will likely dwarf the programme cost.

Another fantastic side effect of the clueless, cack-handed cuts to capital projects made in the early part of last Parliament because they were 'easy', despite being economically illiterate.

Guess we will never know if, had funding been maintained and a thousand flood defence projects not stalled, it would've been competed or enough.

Edit: Although a completed section of the project apparently saved the part of the city behind it, Granary Wharf.

As the Yorkshire Evening Post notes, a northern powerhouse isn't much use when it's under water. The largest legal and financial centre in England outside of London, with a growing, diversifying economy in services and retail providing the power plant for the regional economy has been brought to a shuddering halt for the sake of what is small change compared to the huge investments in London and the Thames Valley.

That'll teach us for largely voting Labour here.

From 2011:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12402284

But projects in Leeds, York, Thirsk and Morpeth have been put on hold.

The Lib Dem MP for Leeds North West, Greg Mulholland, and the Labour MP for Leeds East, George Mudie, both criticised the decision to shelve flood defence work in the city.

Mr Mudie said: "Leeds city centre came within centimetres of flooding in 2000 and had numerous near misses. This is the largest city in the north and it cannot be allowed to be knocked out by flooding."

http://gregmulholland.org/en/article...flood-defences

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pa...ionScheme.aspx

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I said yesterday that Cameron would be criticised by the Media today. Even The Sun (a conservative paper) said that he should have done more.

Several residents have said exactly the same - if we were an overseas country, we would have the extra money and help.

There are things that can be done to prevent flooding.

Now tonight several parts of Tewkesbury has been flood due to the River Severn reaching very high levels.

Its about time Cameron and his puppets put there money where there mouth is and got stuck in.

Recall Parliament from there holidays, and get them down to these flood areas to help with the clearing up

I hope it floods in parts of Oxford where Cameron lives, he will soon get off his backside to clean up the mess

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[Stephen]

Again you live in a fantasy world Arthur.

The army are already there helping. Why would MPs go and help rescue/clean up?

Also why would us being another country mean we would have the money?

Now you are saying you want loads of people in Oxford to get flooded?? That is pretty out of order!

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Stephen. Yes the army are there, but if MPs went there. It would show them what residents have got to put up with.

As for the people of Oxford. I believe that David Cameron lives in Chipping Norton area. So IF, they were flooded. And l do know that the areas are subject to flooding.

I used to work in Oxford, David Cameron would sought it out straight away.

Oxford resident's are lovely people.

[Taf]

"Their insurance will pay" is what I hear every time there is a flood. Well not here they won't and this is an "site of historic flooding" and they won't even offer cover.

And the last floods we had were in the early 60's before 4 metre dykes were built to hold it back most years.

And if you were lucky to get flood insurance and have made a claim, don't expect it to be as cheap on renewal.

[Gavin78]

it's not the rivers that are the problem it is the people that move next to them. they want to build 300 new houses in and around Kirstall smack bang in the area that got flooded...well good luck to that.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Stephen. Yes the army are there, but if MPs went there. It would show them what residents have got to put up with.

I would suggest that David Cameron spending more time in Leeds than was necessary earlier wouldn't be constructive. In my experience he's about as popular in many parts of the city as herpes.

Seriously it makes no difference whether MPs are there or not. They can watch the news just as we can. I'd far rather appropriate measures had been taken, and now a commitment is made to ensure that this never, ever happens again to any major urban centre. There is absolutely no excuse for this to happen in our cities.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I would suggest that David Cameron spending more time in Leeds than was necessary earlier wouldn't be constructive. In my experience he's about as popular in many parts of the city as herpes.

Seriously it makes no difference whether MPs are there or not. They can watch the news just as we can. I'd far rather appropriate measures had been taken, and now a commitment is made to ensure that this never, ever happens again to any major urban centre. There is absolutely no excuse for this to happen in our cities.

Herpes is popular in leeds isn't it, everyone seems to have it

Stop worrying, Dave had a cobra meeting over the phone and has been up there with his serious frowny face on, it'll be fine