Superhub : ANYTHING other than SH

[techguyone]

They're not my pals, I don't think you get it. VM don't have any modems, its S Hub or nothing. If you don't want the shub, you get a router & use it in modem mode or you don't and have nothing. There isn't a VM supplied modem only solution anymore...

[BenMcr]

Just to point out that as far as I'm aware general it's not just Virgin Media UK that now only supply the combined router / modem solution. The aim will be that all Liberty Global companies supply the same broadband hardware.

[Gobble]

Originally Posted by techguyone

They're not my pals

Figure of speech...

I don't think you get it. VM don't have any modems, its S Hub or nothing. If you don't want the shub, you get a router & use it in modem mode or you don't and have nothing. There isn't a VM supplied modem only solution anymore...

Back the point, whilst they don't supply a modem only solution, they provide the option to put the router into a modem only state. What is the difference?

If the sole reason was for having 1 box, like I said in previous posts, I could agree that it'd be nice to be able to do, but heck some space a bit of power isn't worth losing your nut over. However, the OP's problem isn't with that, it's that he in his own words 'begrudges' using a superhub at all.

[techguyone]

Good point.

Back the point, whilst they don't supply a modem only solution, they provide the option to put the router into a modem only state. What is the difference?

Maybe the OP can answer that.

I'd expect it would be because if you want Wi-Fi or more than one device hardwired it's because you need a Wi-Fi enabled ROUTER as well, and lets face it, the number of households these days that only use a single hardwired point must be far & few between.

But Extra router to meet the extra demands of today's technology means box #2
and that's BAD.
Apparently.

[Gobble]

Originally Posted by techguyone

But Extra router to meet the extra demands of today's technology means box #2
and that's BAD.
Apparently.

For me it is a bit of a pain, just more cables and more boxes around the TV, so I can feel his pain, but needs must and all that... :P

[techguyone]

I'll agree that its a very minor inconvenience, I'm still on a shub 1, maybe with the shub 3 the wi-fi's been addressed.
That's really the only reason I bolted on an external router.
Otherwise, both devices have 4 ports (I'm not on a fast enough speed to need a gigabit router) although my PC is capable when I get to that kind of speed, I'd expect us to be on shub 5 by then which will probably all be gigabit ethernet ported anyway.

[BenMcr]

All of the D3 Hubs, including the SH1, are Gigabit Ethernet already.

[techguyone]

Hrmm I thought the Shub1 was only on 1 port (I may be mixing it up with the BT home hub though)

[MagicMavis]

Originally Posted by ianch99

What I don't understand here is that if the current Superhub works without a problem in modem mode, which it does as I have first hand experience of this, then how can you tell if you are connecting your router to the VM cable modem or to one that you have fabricated (which ironically is likely to be less reliable, if indeed it works at all)?

I just want nothing to do with any of the models of Sh1tHub. They've all been nothing but dreadful when I've used them. The reason for the original post was that I didn't know the lengths I would have to go to to make a non-standard work. If it was a simple MAC address fudge that is easy enough to do but it turns out that it's a lot more involved, so I'm looking at other options.

I understand that the reason for the SH in the first place is because VM don't want to support the many varieties of router available. I totally understand that. What I find distasteful is that the CPE they the supply is utter crap, and that their solution is to use...their box as a modem. So, they don't want me to use my own kit, but the offered solution to their kit being terrible is...for me to use my own kit. This leaves them no further forward than me using a modem with my own router, except I would bet real cash money on the SH costing VM considerably more than a clean modem would.

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Originally Posted by Synthetic

EDIT: Post removed. Decided I don't want to get involved in an argument and your obnoxious comments to some members who are actually trying to help and explain things to you.

"Because Maths" is not trying to help. It's not trying anything. It's successfully being a smart arse. The second answer given by the same person was perfect, which I acknowledged.

Where I'm from, typing in bold is the same as typing in all caps.

[techguyone]

Cool, let us know your other 'options'

[MagicMavis]

Originally Posted by techguyone

You're out of luck then, you've discovered now how it can't be done. No one's being smart, especially the bold text (which is moderator talk here)

You have 3 very simple choices given that the gap between 'what you want' & 'what is achievable' is. Not withstanding your intractable attitude.

1. Suck it up
2. go ADSL or similar
3. Have no Internet

Good luck.

Your mention of attitude is interesting. My attitude in reply has only ever mirrored the attitude of the post I was replying to. Making a 3rd party modem work is definitely achievable, but timeframe and effort make it impractical.

At the moment, I'm exploring a fourth option.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by MagicMavis

I just want nothing to do with any of the models of Sh1tHub. They've all been nothing but dreadful when I've used them. The reason for the original post was that I didn't know the lengths I would have to go to to make a non-standard work. If it was a simple MAC address fudge that is easy enough to do but it turns out that it's a lot more involved, so I'm looking at other options.

I understand that the reason for the SH in the first place is because VM don't want to support the many varieties of router available. I totally understand that. What I find distasteful is that the CPE they the supply is utter crap, and that their solution is to use...their box as a modem. So, they don't want me to use my own kit, but the offered solution to their kit being terrible is...for me to use my own kit. This leaves them no further forward than me using a modem with my own router, except I would bet real cash money on the SH costing VM considerably more than a clean modem would

but the Superhub works perfectly as a cable modem when in modem mode ...

[MagicMavis]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Modem mode is fine on the SH. If you don't like the looks of it you can always hide it away somewhere, even under the floor if that's what you want.

I'm still suspicious of the SH even in modem mode. They've all been terrible so far. I've considered hiding it away but that makes it harder to get at to reset when it falls over!

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Originally Posted by ianch99

but the Superhub works perfectly as a cable modem when in modem mode ...

I'm not so convinced I'm afraid. They've still hiccuped like the old modems never did. The only bother my old modem gave back in the day was when the "you're up to date with your bill" light went out and I had to call and pay!

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Still uses twice as much power as a standalone CM

This is one of the pile of things that irritates me about the SHs. This thing is on 24/7, so it's a raise in background cost.

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Originally Posted by SimonB79

I quite like my superhub2ac, it does everything I want, including full 200mbps via wifi... put my proper linksys router in the cupboard!

The 2ac was the best of the bunch, but then that's no compliment! It still needed to be reset far more often than I would have liked.

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Originally Posted by MUD_Wizard

Not that this thread hasn't reached an impasse long ago, but curious what exactly do you imagine is the technical difference between running a Docsis modem and a Superhub in modem mode?

You won't get any better service with a non-VM Docsis modem, even if you could set one up to work on the cable network.

So really the difference comes down to only colour, size (those older modems you might be able to provision are usually larger), orientation (flat vs vertical) and name.

You're absolutely right; I had a question and it has been answered excellently. Yes, it is probably possible to make a 3rd party modem work. No, it's not worth the effort of learning to rip/transplant code, for that to then not definitely work.

The biggest difference between the SH and a standalone modem would be getting rid of the bitter taste of having to use the SH at all. After that, the possibility - now debunked - of better reliability ranks high. I disagree that a proper modem would be no more successful than the SH. My opinion may be biased but it truly is the least reliable thing I've ever used, and I used to own a Peugeot 306. The differences are power usage, reliability, size/desk space and general taste in my mouth from using it.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by MagicMavis

Your mention of attitude is interesting. My attitude in reply has only ever mirrored the attitude of the post I was replying to. Making a 3rd party modem work is definitely achievable, but timeframe and effort make it impractical.

At the moment, I'm exploring a fourth option.

Impractical isn't the issue. Illegal is the issue, and therefore it cannot be discussed here.

Originally Posted by MagicMavis

I'm not so convinced I'm afraid. They've still hiccuped like the old modems never did.

ORLY...

Originally Posted by MagicMavis

The biggest difference between the SH and a standalone modem would be getting rid of the bitter taste of having to use the SH at all.

Unfortunately your bitter taste was a factor not considered when VM choose what CPE to provide.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by MagicMavis

I'm still suspicious of the SH even in modem mode. They've all been terrible so far. I've considered hiding it away but that makes it harder to get at to reset when it falls over!

Well all I can say is I've thrashed my SH1, modem mode, to death with torrents and it has never faltered or reset even with my net access saturated. From the early days I've used a separate router where I can control things with much better precision than the SH could ever achieve.