Multiple shootings in California

[Osem]

There appears to be a major incident in which, according to CNN, 3 separate shooters are involved and there are multiple victims. There's speculation of a terrorist attack but that's probably premature.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34987697

[Gary L]

Has anyone said what the shooters look like?

I'm sure they're just regular patriotic Americans, keen to exercise their constitutional rights.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm sure they're just regular patriotic Americans, keen to exercise their constitutional rights.

Statistically that's by far the most likely eventuality.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm sure they're just regular patriotic Americans, keen to exercise their constitutional rights.

and to ensure the "domestic tranquility of our beloved nation"

People are likely dying there - let's save the snark until we have more facts, eh?

[adzii_nufc]

12 confirmed dead, 20 is the given number total including injuries. Schools in San Bernardino city placed on lockdown.

This is an active shooter and is ongoing.

Terrible, terrible news.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Has anyone said what the shooters look like?

A witness at Roberts Elementary reported a camouflaged middle-eastern man with a beard wearing a headset at the Waterman Discount Mall possibly armed

Possible suspect in long black trench coat "near the old Stingers

white male on RR tracks heading west bound. Description update: White male in gray long sleeve, tan pants on railroad tracks near crime scene

NOT Confirmed

^ In case of a sudden debate or witch hunt before facts become clearer

Source: Police Scanner, see how the three have suddenly changed. Unless there's multiple shooters.

Appear to be going with Multiple shooters, fled in an SUV, police checking the area for IED's. No accurate description as of yet.

Upwards of 14 dead and upwards of 14 injured

FBI Can't comment on whether this is or isn't a terrorist incident. What defines a terrorist incident? Isn't this exactly that? Regardless of race.

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Multiple suspects confirmed, armed with long guns (Rifles etc) now currently suspected to be on the run, major outlets like Schools, public buildings/Government buildings are in lockdown.

Plenty of sightings on the police scanner but nothing concrete. Police are working on the basis of 3 shooters at the minute.

Live streams from choppers have Police pretty much stopping every SUV in sight.

[Osem]

As is usually the case in situations such as these, the 'facts' will probably change a good number of times before everything becomes clear. That's why I wrote that the speculation regarding terrorism is probably premature, albeit understandable given what happened in France a few weeks ago.

I think we all need to spare a thought for the victims and their loved ones.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Osem

As is usually the case in situations such as these, the 'facts' will probably change a good number of times before everything becomes clear. That's why I wrote that the speculation regarding terrorism is probably premature, albeit understandable given what happened in France a few weeks ago.

Yeah I think the better term is Domestic Terrorism, it's clear this was highly organised and carried out with high-powered weapons with an escape already planned out with it. From the heli's it looks like AR-15's yet again. Assault rifle's you can legally own, absolute madness, 14 people have lost their life so far to an absolutely ridiculous law allowing average joe's to own military grade weapons!

- Update: Bear ARV's placed at vulnerable points throughout the area for precautionary reasons. Next official police update will be on the hour unless something significant happens.

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Pursuit in progress, SUV apparently located and police are in pursuit. Could have the wrong guy and he has other reasons for running.

- Source once again is the police radio feed.

- Edit: Shots fired from SUV. One arrested (Not sure if related). Shots still being fired from the SUV.

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Bearcat SWAT vehicle just joined the pursuit, it appears this might be the suspects.

- Stand off in progress, multiple swat units and police officers in a stand off with the now stopped SUV

- Wow. the SUV is riddled with bullets, 2 suspects down (1 definitely down just laying in the street), one left (unclear where yet)
Swat approaching vehicle now. Second suspect reportedly down in the vehicle with Assault rifle on his person, Police are taking no chances with the SUV whether it's empty or not. Pipe bomb threat reported at separate address. SWAT ready to clear SUV with equipment.

- Thankfully there's no more Civilian deaths, wounded up to 17.

- Houses near 'Pipe Bomb' evacuated (Not sure if related to active shootings)

- 2nd suspect (presumably dead) pulled from SUV.

- 25-30 police vehicles on site, think that confirms this is the shooters from earlier.

- Police confirm 2 suspects down, one possibly outstanding. The officer down isn't life threatening.

- Swat surrounding houses in pursuit of possible third suspect. Hopefully this is the start of the end of this horrible incident.

It was a targeted attack at a Social services centre, despicable attack, disgusting human being, I hope they at least get one to get him a slow death penalty.

- Just seen a graphic shot from the chopper that shows the deceased suspect, it was speculated that at least one is female, the reporter is speculating both deceased suspects are female, the image I just saw from the chopper appears to show this too.

[Derek]

Suspects were 1 male, 1 female.

Originally Posted by BBC News

Two suspects killed after San Bernardino shooting named by police as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27. bbc.in/1LQ93rj

Assuming these two were involved I can see a few assumptions being made on motives purely by their names.

[adzii_nufc]

Can't really make a comment on what's happened yet. It could swing both ways but it's more likely a personal matter turned domestic terrorism. Suspect was at the venue and left only to return with the female suspect and open fire. Sounds like a gripe until you bring in IEDs, Assault rifles, handguns and tactical equipment. I think that's why the FBI haven't ruled it either way due to the nature of the pair having all this gear ready and waiting. Again could just be something that's built up for while and been pre planned. I'd probably swing more toward a domestic attack for now though.

Either way. The availability of an Assault rifle and military grade equipment in the US is a joke. Land of the free etc. Pointless trying to reason.

[Osem]

From what I've seen so far it does seem to be a personal thing primarily but other tensions, resentments or sensitivities (including religious ones) could easily have played a part I suppose.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Derek

Suspects were 1 male, 1 female.



Assuming these two were involved I can see a few assumptions being made on motives purely by their names.

What assumptions exactly? Look how many murders happen a year in the USA and look at the names of those who commit them. You're going to be busy making your "assumptions" for a while.

Let's just hear the facts before people start injecting their poison!