Is this the most dangerous man in Britain?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah I'm a well known Labour supporter...

Well you have voted for them iirc....

[ianch99]

I started this thread to discuss the threat I feel a certain Mr Osbourne poses to this county's future. I did not want or intend to discuss the Labour party. This has been done ad-nauseum over and over again. However, it seems that most threads in this part of the Forum sooner rather than later end up as yet another rant at Labour. Let me make this clear: I am not a Labour supporter nor did I vote for them.

I had hoped that CF was a place to discuss a wide range of views and opinions with people debating rather than just taking the opportunity to endlessly repeat personal fixations with various people and institutions.

Maybe I was wrong ..

Recently someone posted a comment that this constant deluge of the same viewpoint over and over again was a reason to leave CF. I think I know what they mean ..

[denphone]

But what can you expect as we are talking about politics here ianch and generally some people get very hot under the collar when one is talking about politics as you can go into a pub and social club or other places and that's how it is in life.

Still that's no reason for anyone to throw insults at other forum members and personally l would certainly not do that but rest assured l will give as good as l get and remain civil about things in the process and there is no excuse for others but to do the same in my book.

Remember people do have different views and opinions about things and that has always been the way since the year dot.

[techguyone]

It's called debating the other persons POV, it's a healthy thing, you wouldn't want a forum full of yes men would you.

And regardless of who you vote for, we have effectively a two party system here in the UK, if you bitch about someone in one of the parties, plus mention terms like 'tory' 'toffs' etc you do rather put yourself in the firing line as a Labourite or a leftie.
Like Osbourne or not, currently his party is the only credible one in British politics at the moment, regardless of whether you believe him to be Satan incarnate or if you believe the minority of people who voted the Conservatives in were delusional.
He & the Conservatives are in.
Deal with it.
Because until the *other* party sort their act out, we'll be stuck with them for a very long time and it won't matter how 'dangerous' you think any of them are, there are not any other alternatives around at this time.
Arguably you'd be better off campaigning for the <insert political party of your choice> to become a bit 'dangerous' instead, then maybe there will be some proper opposition (which would actually be a good thing)

[peanut]

I think he means these type of topics usually end up like the religious threads and all others like it. Because debating is one thing, but when it's just the constant sniping, stirring and continuous monotonous posts from the usual suspects it doesn't entice other members to actually debate anything, it just isn't worth it.

The forum suffers because of it.

[techguyone]

Well emotive subjects get emotive responses, if people don't like the responses, maybe don't ask the question to begin with? or put their big boy pants on and debate.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Recently someone posted a comment that this constant deluge of the same viewpoint over and over again was a reason to leave CF. I think I know what they mean ..

That is the reason i hardly post on here now

[denphone]

Remember there is always the ignore button if certain posters get on your nerves as its important we don't try to stereotype everybody on this forum.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by denphone

Remember there is always the ignore button if certain posters get on your nerves as its important we don't try to stereotype everybody on this forum.

But as has been pointed out many many times it does not work, you still see all the posts from those you ignore if another poster quotes those you have on ignore. That one obvious fault makes the ignore feature completely useless.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Recently someone posted a comment that this constant deluge of the same viewpoint over and over again was a reason to leave CF. I think I know what they mean ..

That's pretty much why I don't bother with this forum too much any more - some of the posters are so boringly monotonous but will be the first to complain when the egotistical megalomaniacs we have in power do something that impacts on them.

I did think about leaving all together but do still talk to some by Pm and would miss that.

One other thing to bear in mind is the forum does have a blue colour scheme!

BTW I do think you're talking sense.

Cheers

Grim

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

It's called debating the other persons POV, it's a healthy thing, you wouldn't want a forum full of yes men would you.

And regardless of who you vote for, we have effectively a two party system here in the UK, if you bitch about someone in one of the parties, plus mention terms like 'tory' 'toffs' etc you do rather put yourself in the firing line as a Labourite or a leftie.
Like Osbourne or not, currently his party is the only credible one in British politics at the moment, regardless of whether you believe him to be Satan incarnate or if you believe the minority of people who voted the Conservatives in were delusional.
He & the Conservatives are in.
Deal with it.
Because until the *other* party sort their act out, we'll be stuck with them for a very long time and it won't matter how 'dangerous' you think any of them are, there are not any other alternatives around at this time.
Arguably you'd be better off campaigning for the <insert political party of your choice> to become a bit 'dangerous' instead, then maybe there will be some proper opposition (which would actually be a good thing)

I think this does highlight a point: I have never said this. Others has intimated that I have so this is what you what want to hear.

Also, why the simplistic assumption that if I criticise the Conservatives I support Labour?

You say "Deal with it" Do you mean don't question or debate their policies?

A lot of what is posted here is not 'debating" as most people would understand it.

---------- Post added at 11:09 ---------- Previous post was at 11:05 ----------

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

That's pretty much why I don't bother with this forum too much any more - some of the posters are so boringly monotonous but will be the first to complain when the egotistical megalomaniacs we have in power do something that impacts on them.

I did think about leaving all together but do still talk to some by Pm and would miss that.

One other thing to bear in mind is the forum does have a blue colour scheme!

BTW I do think you're talking sense.

Cheers

Grim

Thanks Grim. I am wondering whether my time is well spent here. It is the endless repetition of the same thing that does my head in. I am suprised the mods do not contribute more, even in a devil's advocate role, to try and make this part of the forum a more welcoming place

---------- Post added at 11:12 ---------- Previous post was at 11:09 ----------

Originally Posted by techguyone

Well emotive subjects get emotive responses, if people don't like the responses, maybe don't ask the question to begin with? or put their big boy pants on and debate.

Thank you, you have made my point for me ..

[techguyone]

Only you can decide if your time here is well spent or not, you do need to consider though, that it's a forum, by definition this means a place to discuss things.
Not everything is black or white, especially in politics, you're coming across as 'wah you disagree with me, or are saying something different to what I wanted to hear, I wonder if I should leave'

Put your big boy pants on and accept that on a forum people will have differing viewpoints that can't just be dismissed as 'a deluge of the same viewpoint' as the reality is, your very own postings are an equal deluge of your own particular viewpoint.

In short, if you can't take the heat (so to speak) get out of the kitchen (and don't start threads that don't go the way you want them to)

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by techguyone

........you do need to consider though, that it's a forum, by definition this means a place to discuss things.

I think that's the point - if you consider discuss means just post the same old dig at Labour over and over again discussion then I feel pretty sorry for you.

Some people take every thread there given half a chance.....

I bought a silver car the other day....
...... good job Labour aren't in power or all you'd be able to buy are red cars.....

My computer won't turn on......
....... maybe it was once owned by Brown etc - they broken everything else they've touched.......

Get where I'm coming from???

Cheers

Grim

I think it's a shame that a small number of posters who have very fixed views (both pro and anti Labour and Conservative) put people off, but I find there are a reasonable amount of posters who want to discuss things, and discuss what is right rather than who is right - that's one of the reasons I still hang around.

Returning to your point about the thread being taken off-track, I think the challenge is in the context - it's difficult discussing a situation/person without bringing in the journey about how that situation/person got to where they are, with the pros and cons / opposition and supporters, and peoples' differing views on these.

Talking about Osborne without taking into account how the economy got where it is, and the circumstances, would be difficult, imho.

But, as you say, there are some strong feelings on both sides, and emotions can often overtake rational discussion.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Only you can decide if your time here is well spent or not, you do need to consider though, that it's a forum, by definition this means a place to discuss things.
Not everything is black or white, especially in politics, you're coming across as 'wah you disagree with me, or are saying something different to what I wanted to hear, I wonder if I should leave'

Put your big boy pants on and accept that on a forum people will have differing viewpoints that can't just be dismissed as 'a deluge of the same viewpoint' as the reality is, your very own postings are an equal deluge of your own particular viewpoint.

In short, if you can't take the heat (so to speak) get out of the kitchen (and don't start threads that don't go the way you want them to)

You just don't get it do you? Patronising people is not debate. Hang on though, I am sure a while ago you put me on your block list. Please, please put me back on it ..

---------- Post added at 18:42 ---------- Previous post was at 18:29 ----------

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think it's a shame that a small number of posters who have very fixed views (both pro and anti Labour and Conservative) put people off, but I find there are a reasonable amount of posters who want to discuss things, and discuss what is right rather than who is right - that's one of the reasons I still hang around.

Returning to your point about the thread being taken off-track, I think the challenge is in the context - it's difficult discussing a situation/person without bringing in the journey about how that situation/person got to where they are, with the pros and cons / opposition and supporters, and peoples' differing views on these.

Talking about Osborne without taking into account how the economy got where it is, and the circumstances, would be difficult, imho.

But, as you say, there are some strong feelings on both sides, and emotions can often overtake rational discussion.

Hugh, I take you point about topics deviating off course and I agree with you but the issue I raised here is that at the smallest opportunity, threads get taken in the same familiar place where you just get the endless posts trashing Labour, Europe, etc. ad-nauseum. It is if some people have a fixation about certain issues and are not content to make their point, they want to ram it down peoples' throats at each and every opportunity.

Peanut summed it up well:

Because debating is one thing, but when it's just the constant sniping, stirring and continuous monotonous posts from the usual suspects it doesn't entice other members to actually debate anything, it just isn't worth it.

The forum suffers because of it.