Is this the most dangerous man in Britain?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by tweedle

The conservatives were elected by the people and they listened to the people. Are you saying Osbourne doing what the electorate wants is a bad thing? Would you of preferred him to ignore what people want?

Osbourne was voted in on a mandate of cutting public services and welfare. The people who voted for him were clear about this. This is what the "electorate" wanted .. or at least the minority that voted the Government into power.

When George tried to implement the policies Conservative voters mandated him to carry out, there was a realisation in Westminister that (belatedly) this was not the right thing to do hence the attempts to stop him. Attempts that proved succesfull.

Don't forget that cuts are still planned, together with welfare cuts phased in over a longer timeframe via Universal Credits. A lot of these, ironically, will hit the typical Tory voter:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tumn-statement

A 56% cut in local authority grants from central government, alongside new powers for councils to raise their own money from business rates and a special 2% precept to pay for social care.

Raising an extra £1bn a year by 2020 from a new 3 percentage-point stamp duty charge on buy-to-let properties and second homes.

Higher student loan repayments for people who have graduated since 2012 and will have to pay about £300 a year more.

An end to grants for student nurses, who must now pay for their own training with the help of loans. The cap on recruitment of student nurses will be lifted.

An overhaul of schools funding to even out regional variations and cuts to the further education budget that will mean funding per student for 16- to 19-year-olds in sixth forms and colleges is cut by 9.4% by 2020.

It it good that he "listened" because he went too far with his cuts. Pity he doesn't "listen" more. I am sure that the electorate who voted for the Tories didn't really take it all in at the time, they didn't think about the cuts promised in this parliament. They were just numbers .. only when the consequences were spelt out, did the reality hit home. Well, there is more reality coming to a Tory voter near you: higher council tax bills, less local council funded services, etc. etc.

George also saw this as a politically expedient opportunity to cement the Tories position as the party most likely to win the next election. Look at me he says: 'I was going to do a really bad thing, something I told you I was going to .. but hey, I am a nice guy really and I am been doing some soul searching and I have changed my mind". The U turn has no risk given where we are in the electoral cycle and given that there is no credible opposition to constrain what he does.

George will learn from this: even he could not push through policies which, when looked at in detail were so patentedly unfair. Even he could not cut Police budgets by upto 20% when we have just had the Paris incident. George will just be more cunning next time

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Originally Posted by Osem

Yes because then he could call Osborne an out of touch Tory toff who couldn't care less about ordinary working people, blah, blah, blah. You just can't please some folks evidently...

Osem is stuck in the past (with his beloved Labour party). You just don't call people "Toffs" anymore ..

Interesting etymology

The word "toff" is thought to come from the word "tuft", which was a gold tassel worn by titled undergraduates at the University of Oxford or the University of Cambridge.[1][2][3][4][5] The Anglo-Saxon word "toforan" has a meaning of "superiority".[6] It is possible the derivation of "toff" is earlier than is generally supposed.

Other origins include the abbreviation of "toffee-nosed".[citation needed] This originates from the 19th century, where it was common for men of a higher class to use snuff.[citation needed] The use of snuff often caused the man's nose to leak a toffee-like nasal mucus. The men are thought to have tilted their heads slightly upwards to counteract this. However, elevating the chin by looking down the nose at someone else is an instinctive human body-language signal of dominance, whereas ducking the chin (covering the neck) is an instinctive human signal of submission.[citation needed]

[techguyone]

You're just grumbling because you're stuck with Corby, come back again when you have a credible Leader for Labour, because lets face it, it wouldn't matter what CMD /Osbourne did, it would never come close to the chaos Corby would unleash. Good luck getting shot of him in the next 5 yrs , and while he's there Labour will be too busy internally squabbling to worry about the wider world.

[Osem]

Brown, Miliband, Corbyn, how much worse can it get?

They can't even run a decent leadership election much less run a country.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Osbourne was voted in on a mandate of cutting public services and welfare. The people who voted for him were clear about this. This is what the "electorate" wanted .. or at least the minority that voted the Government into power.

When George tried to implement the policies Conservative voters mandated him to carry out, there was a realisation in Westminister that (belatedly) this was not the right thing to do hence the attempts to stop him. Attempts that proved succesfull.

Don't forget that cuts are still planned, together with welfare cuts phased in over a longer timeframe via Universal Credits. A lot of these, ironically, will hit the typical Tory voter:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tumn-statement



It it good that he "listened" because he went too far with his cuts. Pity he doesn't "listen" more. I am sure that the electorate who voted for the Tories didn't really take it all in at the time, they didn't think about the cuts promised in this parliament. They were just numbers .. only when the consequences were spelt out, did the reality hit home. Well, there is more reality coming to a Tory voter near you: higher council tax bills, less local council funded services, etc. etc.

George also saw this as a politically expedient opportunity to cement the Tories position as the party most likely to win the next election. Look at me he says: 'I was going to do a really bad thing, something I told you I was going to .. but hey, I am a nice guy really and I am been doing some soul searching and I have changed my mind". The U turn has no risk given where we are in the electoral cycle and given that there is no credible opposition to constrain what he does.

George will learn from this: even he could not push through policies which, when looked at in detail were so patentedly unfair. Even he could not cut Police budgets by upto 20% when we have just had the Paris incident. George will just be more cunning next time

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Osem is stuck in the past (with his beloved Labour party). You just don't call people "Toffs" anymore ..

Interesting etymology

From last year, by the Labour Party's Chair of General Election Strategy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5304928.html

Douglas Alexander Defends Labour's Party Political Broadcast Depicting Tories As Toffs

From the Daily Mirror, September 2014

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...h-poor-4354741

Tory toffs getting in touch with the poor by guzzling 5,000 canapés a day

[Osem]

Is that what's known as an inconvenient truth?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From last year, by the Labour Party's Chair of General Election Strategy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5304928.html



From the Daily Mirror, September 2014

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...h-poor-4354741

Hugh, what is your point? You agree with Osem and the Mirror on calling Tories Toffs?

If this is just a wind up, fair enough but really, what are you trying to say? Spell it out ..

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Originally Posted by Osem

Is that what's known as an inconvenient truth?

What is inconvenient here? You not replying directly to my posts but via Hugh's coat tails

I like this game as I am on Osem's block list

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Originally Posted by techguyone

You're just grumbling because you're stuck with Corby, come back again when you have a credible Leader for Labour, because lets face it, it wouldn't matter what CMD /Osbourne did, it would never come close to the chaos Corby would unleash. Good luck getting shot of him in the next 5 yrs , and while he's there Labour will be too busy internally squabbling to worry about the wider world.

Corbyn is an idiot .. I am starting to think he is a Tory double agent I am not stuck with him as I never voted for Labour .. I feel sorry for the majority of the Labour supporters who now have no real representation in policy terms.

Corbyn will never come close to the choas unleashed on this country by the Financial sector in 2007/2008 .. the same people that are allowed (and encouraged to) to play the same game of Russian Roulette with this country's future.

At last someone in this industry is talking sense: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...gs-anti-banker

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Originally Posted by Osem

Brown, Miliband, Corbyn, how much worse can it get?

They can't even run a decent leadership election much less run a country.

Does Osem have these posts on speed dial?

[tweedle]

Ianch99 please explain why Osborne listening to the people who elected him is a negative?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Corbyn is an idiot .. I am starting to think he is a Tory double agent

That's really strange because I've always thought exactly the same.

Does Osem have these posts on speed dial?

He just checks every 3 minutes.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's really strange because I've always thought exactly the same.



He just checks every 3 minutes.

No offense, but the Labour party leaders are clearly coming across as crack pots. Are Labour party supporters now claiming that the Labour party is run by Conservative double agents?

Seriously, step back from the Labour party pull yourself together and think about what you're saying. Because right now everything about Labour appears to be crack pot including some supporters.

I know its not as it seems, but someone in the Labour party need to put a stop to all this, and soon!

[Osem]

Look it's perfectly clear that everything's just tickety-boo at Labour HQ. There are no opposition tanks in Corbyn's Baghdad and he can just carry on undermining his ministers with ill judged, ad hoc statements and infantile 'policy' made up on the hoof, safe in the knowledge that everyone loves him...

[rhyds]

I think Corbyn has just found out the difference between being an MP and being a Front Bencher...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by rhyds

I think Corbyn has just found out the difference between being an MP and being a Front Bencher...

He clearly hasn't learned much over the last 30 years has he...

Anyway there's really nothing to worry about and he's just taken decisive action to restore confidence amongst his colleagues:

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by Osem

He clearly hasn't learned much over the last 30 years has he...

Remember he's only ever been a back bencher for those 30 years. He's never had any senior work in the party, the kind of work that requires persuading other people to see your point of view rather than simply mouthing off...

[heero_yuy]

There are others as dangerous for Labour as Jezzer:

“Chairman Mao... would have found much to admire in John McDonnell’s meticulously planned and perfectly executed assassination of the last remaining remnant of his own credibility, even if it did leave his party with lifechanging injuries, and killed satire dead in an instant...

From his lips came the words that will launch a thousand Tory party parliamentary broadcasts: ‘Let’s quote from Mao.’”

Linky

How to hit the nail squarely on the thumb from the man who would be chancellor if he's allowed.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by rhyds

Remember he's only ever been a back bencher for those 30 years. He's never had any senior work in the party, the kind of work that requires persuading other people to see your point of view rather than simply mouthing off...

Oh I'm well aware of that and have made the point before that the lack of scrutiny he's been subject to hitherto has led him to where he is now. Nonetheless, you'd have thought 30 odd years in parliament might have taught him just a few basic do's and don'ts...