14-11-2015, 15:50
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
Five dead seven injured with the TGV crash. No word that it's associated with the current terror attacks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666
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14-11-2015, 17:43
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
http://news.sky.com/story/1587719/th...ved-in-belgium
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French broadcaster BFMTV said that in addition to a Syrian passport found at the scene of a deadly stadium attack in the north of the city, an Egyptian passport was found close to the body of one of the assailants.
A Greek minister has said that the Syrian passport belonged to someone who had got into the EU via Greece in early October
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972
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A Greek government minister says the holder of a Syrian passport found at the scene crossed into the European Union through the Greek island of Leros in October.
Deputy public order minister Nikos Toskas, said in a statement:
On the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack, we announce that the passport holder passed from Leros on October 3 where he was identified based on EU rules ... We do not know if the passport was checked by other countries through which the holder likely passed.
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First confirmation that one of the terrorists infiltrated via the migrant run.
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14-11-2015, 17:55
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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Originally Posted by Sirius
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Whether it's accurate on this occasion or not (and it looks like it is), we all know it's just a matter of time. Our enemies have an open door into the EU so why wouldn't they take it?
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14-11-2015, 18:07
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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Originally Posted by Osem
Whether it's accurate on this occasion or not (and it looks like it is), we all know it's just a matter of time. Our enemies have an open door into the EU so why wouldn't they take it?
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If it is true then Germany will have a problem.
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14-11-2015, 18:12
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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If it is true then Germany will have a problem.
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True or not Germany I reckon already has a massive, self induced, problem and we should be very grateful we're not encumbered by the Schengen arrangements and have a nice stretch of deep, cold sea between us and them.
France strengthening its borders can only assist the UK in trying to prevent the numbers of 'jungle' inhabitants trying to break into the UK from escalating out of control.
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14-11-2015, 18:16
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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Originally Posted by Osem
True or not Germany I reckon already has a massive, self induced, problem and we should be very grateful we're not encumbered by the Schengen arrangements and have a nice stretch of deep, cold sea between us and them.
France strengthening its borders can only assist the UK in trying to prevent the numbers of 'jungle' inhabitants trying to break into the UK from escalating out of control.
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Being an island definately has advantages, but we must not be complacent and must remain vigilant!
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14-11-2015, 18:25
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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Being an island definately has advantages, but we must not be complacent and must remain vigilant!
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Too true. We've had no real control over our borders for ages with unknown people coming in whose motives we can only guess at. Most will be what they seem but it doesn't take many budding terrorists to cause carnage does it...
We clearly have out very own crop of home grown radicalised lunatics and they have to be dealt with accordingly but quite why successive govts. have been so relaxed about our porous borders for so long defeats me. Maybe one day they'll wake up and do something about it but how many of our enemies are already here planning and stirring up trouble?
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14-11-2015, 18:29
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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15-11-2015, 00:50
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15-11-2015, 04:10
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
This combined with the refugee crisis is going to see some big changes to europe, expect now much more border security and less co-operation with america in middle east wars.
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15-11-2015, 05:26
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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France strengthening its borders can only assist the UK in trying to prevent the numbers of 'jungle' inhabitants trying to break into the UK from escalating out of control.
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I thought this when France closed it's borders.
I wonder what Britain and France will do with all of these asylum seekers and illegal immigrants now? This has taken things to a whole new level.
The protection of our island and it's inhabitants comes before anything else, even if this means turning away or forcibly removing genuine asylum seekers.
I've never agreed with the right of people within Europe to be able to live elsewhere, no matter what the host country wants. Hopefully this tragedy will knock some sense into the EU and allow our Government to end it once and for all with the forthcoming negotiations.
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15-11-2015, 08:39
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
Omar Ismail Mostefai identified as one of the seven gunmen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34825080
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He was named as Omar Ismail Mostefai, a 29-year-old French citizen of Algerian origin, who had a criminal record and was known to have been radicalised.
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15-11-2015, 09:33
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If our highly intelligent and advanced people genuinely didn't think that terrorists who want to enter the country to kill us have actually come through these open doors. then we have no hope at all. because the terrorists are obviously way smarter and nowhere near as thick as those that are supposed to be there to protect us.
you wait till it does happen.
we'll be scratching our heads saying HTF?!!
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15-11-2015, 10:01
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Thank the lord for all those open borders eh? How wonderful that terrorists, gun runners, people traffickers, drug dealers, gangsters and all manner of sundry criminals are free to ply their trade throughout Europe. Clearly this is just the sort of enterprise we should be encouraging in order to ensure the Europe is a vibrant, interesting and safe place to live...
Expecting common sense or anything like it to prevail within Europe is likely to result in a long, frustrating and ultimately pointless wait. Single currency, single state, free movement, open borders, one size fits all etc. etc. etc. It'd all be terrific in cloud cuckoo land...
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15-11-2015, 10:43
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re: Paris shootings in November 2015
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Originally Posted by Osem
Thank the lord for all those open borders eh? How wonderful that terrorists, gun runners, people traffickers, drug dealers, gangsters and all manner of sundry criminals are free to ply their trade throughout Europe. Clearly this is just the sort of enterprise we should be encouraging in order to ensure the Europe is a vibrant, interesting and safe place to live...
Expecting common sense or anything like it to prevail within Europe is likely to result in a long, frustrating and ultimately pointless wait. Single currency, single state, free movement, open borders, one size fits all etc. etc. etc. It'd all be terrific in cloud cuckoo land... 
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Those who think there is not a problem with open borders within the EU to the UK should look closely at what has happened in Paris. I honestly feel that the open boarders and the fact that the EU are allowing all and sundry to cross from one side of the EU to the other without checks is criminal.
You can bet that those who agree with open borders would change there tune if it was one of there family killed by a terrorist who WALKED into the EU without any checks and was allowed to travel when and where they like.
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