Unstoppable migration?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The UN differentiates between the two and sets out guidelines for other countries to do the same







Is it worth pointing out most of those people aren't Syrian, Libyan or Iraqi, even taking the Mail's little ways into account and taking into account that some of them may have escaped other war torn countries and need help 80% is a large figure for these little things we're taking into account to swallow up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orn-Syria.html

I've always said regarding economic migrants work on a points based system to admit those who can improve our country

When it comes to countries where we have played a direct part in destabilisation such as Syria, Iraq Libya and Afghanistan and we have a moral obligation to provide an open door

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Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34329825

Still no real plan then, just an acrimonious attempt to palm off those who mainly want to go to Germany on other countries who either aren't keen to have them or are refusing to. We're all still waiting to hear, from Juncker et al, who's going to stop these people going where they want? The EU a single state? Like Hell - the antagonism stirred up here is not going to be forgotten in a very long time.

Well there is a plan.....

All are migrants "in clear need of international protection" to be resettled from Italy, Greece, Hungary to other EU member states
15,600 from Italy, 50,400 from Greece, 54,000 from Hungary, though it is unclear how many are still in Hungary
Initial screening of asylum applicants carried out in Greece, Hungary and Italy
Syrians, Eritreans, Iraqis prioritised

Does that look like economic migrants or genuine refugees are being resettled to you?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I've always said regarding economic migrants work on a points based system to admit those who can improve our country

When it comes to countries where we have played a direct part in destabilisation such as Syria, Iraq Libya and Afghanistan and we have a moral obligation to provide an open door

Like someone else famously said you forgot Poland, how many have they taken as part of their moral obligation after destabilising certain countries and what happens once the countries are stable again, they go home, how many Kosovans went home after Britain among others put themselves on the line for them.

[nomadking]

Link

Whilst some of the residents are newly-arrived from the conflict in Syria, many are not - there are Afghans, Senegalese, Albanians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

If he is forced to move from Germany to another EU country, Housam says he will return to Syria: "I go back to my country, it's Germany
or nothing."

Says it all really.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Link
Says it all really.

Yep, says it all really about ONE man, unless of course you're implying this is the view held by all refugees, but you wouldnt be as silly to suggest that, would you?

[techguyone]

Clearly it's held as the view by many as they are tromping ever Northward, bypassing countries 'not worthy'...

Or perhaps in your infinite lefty wisdom you can explain why they are not stopping in one of the many countries they encounter instead of heading determinedly ever onward?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Clearly it's held as the view by many as they are tromping ever Northward, bypassing countries 'not worthy'...

Or perhaps in your infinite lefty wisdom you can explain why they are not stopping in one of the many countries they encounter instead of heading determinedly ever onward?

It's fairly obvious why they're heading to Germany... even without my 'infinite lefty wisdom' have you considered the fact that if other countries welcomed them in the way the Germans have, they wouldn't be 'tromping ever Northward'

Probably not, as that require a degree of any wisdom.

[techguyone]

I wonder... You lot like your social Engineering, consider this.
Europe wide open, tell the migrants one thing only. Go anywhere you like - where do you think they will end up?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I wonder... You lot like your social Engineering, consider this.
Europe wide open, tell the migrants one thing only. Go anywhere you like - where do you think they will end up?

Sorry, misread your initial question...

So to answer, we don't know the answer to that, you can make a supposition but that's it.

Loving the way you say 'you lot' hints to your broader attitude

[techguyone]

No I meant as an experiment, no rules.
Just a 'yes go where you will'
With all of Europe as a playground and no barrier, where do you think they will go.

My attitude is what it is, based on Traditional values that are fast dying out.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It's fairly obvious why they're heading to Germany... even without my 'infinite lefty wisdom' have you considered the fact that if other countries welcomed them in the way the Germans have, they wouldn't be 'tromping ever Northward'

So again they're choosing to avoid certain countries? Not desperate or in need then.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Russ

So again they're choosing to avoid certain countries? Not desperate or in need then.

Or, they're heading to where they are being made to feel welcome, and who wouldn't. It's not exactly rocket science is it ?

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Originally Posted by techguyone

No I meant as an experiment, no rules.
Just a 'yes go where you will'
With all of Europe as a playground and no barrier, where do you think they will go.

My attitude is what it is, based on Traditional values that are fast dying out.

OK, flip the point

Where would YOU go?

And what is your attitude, what are these traditional values onto which you cling to so much?

[techguyone]

Flip the point, ok. If I were a refugee I'd head for the nearest safe place I could find. Why would I further risk my family to danger travelling further than necessary.

My attitude is firm but fair. Trad British values, remember those? before we became all overly PC and waiting to sue/be offended to order.

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As far as being made welcome. How welcome would you feel when you get things like this to look forward to. (Yes I know its from The Mail)



I still reckon it'll be a very different picture in six months or less when reality bites. Let's hope there's better joined up thinking for next years rush, I'd expect this years to slow down shortly due to winter approaching. Some of those european winters can be be bitter.

[Osem]

There's none so blind as those who refuse to see. The proof is there before us, unfolding on a massive scale yet for some it's as if nothing's been learned. It's truly bizarre.

They want to go to Germany because they're more welcome there blah, blah, blah,... Oh really? There was I thinking this was all about desperate refugees seeking refuge from bombs... Well what happens when the mood in Germany changes to the masses they've encouraged to come? It's already happening and this is only the beginning FGS. What happens when the migrants decide Germany isn't quite so friendly or there are better prospects elsewhere?

It's clear to me that some people can't see beyond the ends of their noses. Despite all the problems we've seen develop across Europe as a result of the failure of immigration policies and now a mass surge of refugees and economic migrants, some people would open the doors even wider. Frankly it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and dangerous. These people need to understand that what they are asking for is irreversible. The tap can't just be turned off and as I've stated many times before, nobody seriously believes that any assessment and removals policy is going to be effective so once these people, very largely young single men, get to the EU, the cast majority of them will remain here. Ask yourselves how well they're going to adapt, integrate, fit in... We have our very own brand of home grown radicals who've been lucky enough to have been born here to immigrant parents and are hell bent on causing us mayhem or heading off to join the most extreme group of terrorists you could imagine. All that happened to people who were born here in freedom and relative wealth, how much easier for it to happen to people who are going to have extreme difficulties fitting in and are I feel very likely to feel badly let down when they discover Merkel's streets aren't paved with gold and there's growing hostility towards them as their numbers rise and the effects are felt.

This is inevitable I'm afraid, it's not palatable and we all wish it wasn't true but it is. No amount of EU claptrap can supress what ordinary people feel about this situation and it's only a matter of time before the serious trouble starts, there's more tension between various migrants groups and host communities and indeed between nations.

I really didn't think I'd make my mind up about the EU referendum until the last minute, hoping to see some evidence of unity and common sense over coming months. Fat chance! What's been allowed to happen has made my mind up. I will be voting out, not because I feel that will be a panacea for all our ills (far from it - there will be massive challenges) but because the EU has once again proved itself to be fatally flawed and is IMHO going to fall apart all on its own at some point. When it does that I'd rather be outside with the benefit of the time we've had in which to have forged new links elsewhere.

[heero_yuy]

Here they come:

ONE million migrants will have fled to Europe by the end of this year, according to a shock report.

Around 500,000 have already illegally crossed EU borders with another 300,000 arriving by sea.

A further 200,000 are expected in the next three months. Last year the UK took in 558,000 people from developed countries alone.

Europe was yesterday warned erecting fencing will not stem the migrant tide.

Paywall link

We're drowning in them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Flip the point, ok. If I were a refugee I'd head for the nearest safe place I could find. Why would I further risk my family to danger travelling further than necessary.

My attitude is firm but fair. Trad British values, remember those? before we became all overly PC and waiting to sue/be offended to order.

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As far as being made welcome. How welcome would you feel when you get things like this to look forward to. (Yes I know its from The Mail)



I still reckon it'll be a very different picture in six months or less when reality bites. Let's hope there's better joined up thinking for next years rush, I'd expect this years to slow down shortly due to winter approaching. Some of those european winters can be be bitter.

OK, now we're getting to the meat of things.....

How is it more dangerous to travel to Germany from somewhere such as Greece?

The very fact is that Greece has over 1m refugees, Turkey has approx 2m Saudi Arabia has IIRC 2.5m there are something like (again IIRC) 6m internally displaced. People are whinging about a few thousand ???

Lets look realistically at the numbers 160,000 to be spread across the EU it's not a lot in the grand scheme of things and it's a situation we were implicit in creating in certain countries and therefore we have an important part to play.

It's quite simply not acceptable for us to try and impose western democracy (see Regime Change) and when the fallout kicks in for us to say it's not our problem

That picture regardless of where it's from, let's consider what was provided for them as they arrived? Was there adequate access to sanitation for example?

We have a duty to help those in need and currently it's one collectively we're shirking.

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Originally Posted by Osem

There's none so blind as those who refuse to see. The proof is there before us, unfolding on a massive scale yet for some it's as if nothing's been learned. It's truly bizarre.

They want to go to Germany because they're more welcome there blah, blah, blah,... Oh really? There was I thinking this was all about desperate refugees seeking refuge from bombs... Well what happens when the mood in Germany changes to the masses they've encouraged to come? It's already happening and this is only the beginning FGS. What happens when the migrants decide Germany isn't quite so friendly or there are better prospects elsewhere?

It's clear to me that some people can't see beyond the ends of their noses. Despite all the problems we've seen develop across Europe as a result of the failure of immigration policies and now a mass surge of refugees and economic migrants, some people would open the doors even wider. Frankly it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and dangerous. These people need to understand that what they are asking for is irreversible. The tap can't just be turned off and as I've stated many times before, nobody seriously believes that any assessment and removals policy is going to be effective so once these people, very largely young single men, get to the EU, the cast majority of them will remain here. Ask yourselves how well they're going to adapt, integrate, fit in... We have our very own brand of home grown radicals who've been lucky enough to have been born here to immigrant parents and are hell bent on causing us mayhem or heading off to join the most extreme group of terrorists you could imagine. All that happened to people who were born here in freedom and relative wealth, how much easier for it to happen to people who are going to have extreme difficulties fitting in and are I feel very likely to feel badly let down when they discover Merkel's streets aren't paved with gold and there's growing hostility towards them as their numbers rise and the effects are felt.

This is inevitable I'm afraid, it's not palatable and we all wish it wasn't true but it is. No amount of EU claptrap can supress what ordinary people feel about this situation and it's only a matter of time before the serious trouble starts, there's more tension between various migrants groups and host communities and indeed between nations.

I really didn't think I'd make my mind up about the EU referendum until the last minute, hoping to see some evidence of unity and common sense over coming months. Fat chance! What's been allowed to happen has made my mind up. I will be voting out, not because I feel that will be a panacea for all our ills (far from it - there will be massive challenges) but because the EU has once again proved itself to be fatally flawed and is IMHO going to fall apart all on its own at some point. When it does that I'd rather be outside with the benefit of the time we've had in which to have forged new links elsewhere.

Nice pair of blinkers you're wearing there

Did the EU cause this crisis? Answer NO
Are the EU trying their best to resolve this crisis? NO
Have you put forward one solution to the crisis despite being asked to multiple times? NO
Are you more interested in having your little rants? Most certainly!!


You are the true product of Thatcherism, A perfect example of so long as I'm all right jack screw everybody else.

You have no concept and no wish to assist a fellow human being.