Child abuse 'may well have been' covered up - Norman Tebbit

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well it'll be interesting to see whether the Scottish legal system is as 'accommodating' as England's when it comes to claims of ill-health.

Not sure about that but some of the quirks of Scots law make prosecuting sexual offenses, especially historical ones, even more difficult than in England and Wales.

[Osem]

Lord Janner has been accused in Parliament of being a serial abuser who attacked children inside the Palace of Westminster.

Labour MP Simon Danczuk said police had told him they wanted to bring 22 historical charges against Lord Janner, dating between 1969 and 1988.

The director of public prosecutions (DPP) announced in April that he would not be charged because of his dementia, although that decision is under review.

The ex-MP denies any wrongdoing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33243782

Speaking in a Westminster Hall debate about the Crown Prosecution Service, Mr Danczuk said: "I have met with Leicestershire police and discussed the allegations in detail.

"Children being violated, raped and tortured - some in the very building in which we now sit."

The Rochdale MP continued: "If Lord Janner really is too ill to face prosecution, then why can't the courts establish this with a fitness to plead process?

"This would clear up doubts that still linger, for example why he was still visiting parliament on official visits after he was declared unfit to face justice."

How long is the review into the DPP's decision not to prosecute Janner going to take I wonder. I dare say the dementia's getting worse every day...

[Osem]

According to LBC the Daily Mail is claiming that the DPP's decision not to prosecute Janner will be overturned. Before anyone starts celebrating, however, apparently it's not clear what the authorities intend to do next so we should prepare ourselves for news that his 'condition' has taken a turn for the worse...

[Osem]

Lord Janner will be prosecuted over claims of historical child sexual abuse after a review overturned a decision by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33310095

...A judge will now decide if Lord Janner is fit to stand trial. If not, he will face what is known as a "trial of the facts", where a court hears evidence from alleged victims and decides only if Lord Janner committed the physical acts of abuse. There will be no finding of guilt or conviction...

... There are only three possible outcomes from a trial of the facts. They are a hospital order, a supervision order or an absolute discharge.

The jury can only make a finding that the defendant did the particular physical act. There cannot be a verdict of guilty.

Such a trial recently took place in the case of the former Luton South MP Margaret Moran, who was accused of falsely claiming more than £53,000 in parliamentary expenses.

She was given a two-year supervision order.

In Lord Janner's case, the process would involve the alleged victims giving evidence.

I'd have thought that a civil action might well follow anything other than an absolute discharge but even then it might still happen.

Without referring to this case specifically, for the victims of abuse, I'm sure any official recognition of their plight by way of a judgement is to an extent welcome, irrespective of the resulting punishment. I can only imagine the pain those whose abusers have passed away before facing any form of justice must be suffering.

[Osem]

Lawyers for Lord Janner have lost a High Court bid to spare him attending court to face child sex abuse charges.

The 87-year-old peer, who has dementia, must now appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Friday in relation to 22 charges spanning the 1960s to the 1980s, which he denies.

The ex-MP's lawyers had argued it was "barbaric, inhumane and uncivilised" to force him to attend as he was too ill.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33909697

I know what's more barbaric, inhumane and uncivilised...

[Osem]

Lord Janner has failed to appear in court to face child sex abuse charges, despite the High Court ruling he must attend a hearing.

The 87-year-old, who has dementia, had been due at Westminster Magistrates' Court in relation to 22 charges spanning the 1960s to the 1980s.

Lord Janner's lawyer said he wanted him to appear via video link, but the judge said the issue must be resolved on Friday, even if it meant arresting him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33923041

I hope they arrest him but doubt they will.

[Derek]

I think his lawyers will be stopping for some last minute supplies before the hearing.

[Gary L]

He'll turn up. he's just got lost.

[Osem]

Well how traumatic could a one minute appearance be? No doubt we'll see how much of an ordeal it was for him in due course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33931860

[heero_yuy]

No doubt he'll have been carefully coached in how a sufferer of advanced Alzheimers should behave.

Be sure if he's not "done" there'll be a miraculous recovery that Lazarus would be jealous of.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

No doubt he'll have been carefully coached in how a sufferer of advanced Alzheimers should behave.

Be sure if he's not "done" there'll be a miraculous recovery that Lazarus would be jealous of.

In the clips I've seen of him on the TV. he always looks like he's putting it on with all the pointing and squinting of eyes.
it seems as though he's actually over exaggerating.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

He is as guilty as sin. He was well enough to sign all his stuff away, when this was all revealed.

And all that rubbish about lets go and get some ice cream.

Sadly, after what happened to me, l hope they take a load of them out to sea and sink the boat

There will be a lot more stuff coming out now. Its like only on Friday, Prescott was accused of something - that happened 30 years ago. He said the perfect answer. Why does that person come forward now - l think money, may be the answer.

What Ministers and the government must do is root out all this, stop covering it up. And lets hear the truth

[Gary L]

Well it looks like he enjoyed the day out. so there shouldn't be a problem with him looking forward to the future ones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35142675

Lord Janner, the former Labour peer ruled unfit to stand trial over allegations of child sexual abuse spanning four decades, has died.
He had been suffering from dementia and died peacefully at his home on Saturday aged 87, his family said.

[nashville]

Rules for them and none for the victim