Unstoppable migration?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Asylum has to be claimed in the FIRST safe country the asylum seeker gets to. Not traipse over half the planet just to get to the softest (i.e. UK) country to make the claim in.



Right of asylum

Not it doesn't at all, it's a legal principle

There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.

The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment).

The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities.

source: The Guardian

and for some further reading....

http://blogs.redcross.org.uk/refugee...ylum-illegals/

[nomadking]

Any "agent" is only going to transport somebody as far as is necessary. That will include where they were paid to transport somebody. How many cases are there where it is a single door-to-door journey, from country fled from to the UK? Eg All that time locked up in a shipping container from Ethiopia to Dover?

Even where there is conflict in a country, there is NOT conflict in every square mile of that country.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even where there is conflict in a country, there is NOT conflict in every square mile of that country.

During WW2, children were evacuated to far less dangerous corners of the UK, so that the adults could put their minds and efforts to defending our country.

Not for the adults to run away and leave our country defenceless.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Taf

During WW2, children were evacuated to far less dangerous corners of the UK, so that the adults could put their minds and efforts to defending our country.

Not for the adults to run away and leave our country defenceless.

Even if they didn't want to defend their country, why are they in many of these current cases leaving the women and children behind, supposedly in danger.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even if they didn't want to defend their country, why are they in many of these current cases leaving the women and children behind, supposedly in danger.

That is atypical behaviour for refugees from a warzone.
It's as if they have other reasons for coming here

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That is atypical behaviour for refugees from a warzone.
It's as if they have other reasons for coming here

Yup, like a crazy, shambolic immigration and asylum system which is open to abuse in all sorts of ways.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yup, like a crazy, shambolic immigration and asylum system which is open to abuse in all sorts of ways.

Yep

French police convinced direct action taken by migrants trying to storm Channel Tunnel is coordinated by anarchists or far-Left activists

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep

What a well thought out written article. In other news, I'm announcing my engagement to Catherine Zeta Jones, Smoking is proved to not have any detrimental health effects & Osama Bin Laden was actually an agent of the icelandic secret services.*


*Please note I'm supplying the same level of evidence as the above article to substantiate my claims.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep

We shouldn't take the French version of events as gospel either, they'll have their own agenda to push as well as our own politicians. I wouldn't be surprised if anarchists were creating problems, that's what they do after all, however there doesn't appear to be much of evidence of it nor does it make too much sense at the moment.

[Ramrod]

After a brief Google:
Calais Migrant Solidarity

At the moment, it is very hectic in Calais and we are not so many people. It is not necessarily helpful for us for people to come for short periods of time especially if they have not been to Calais and involved with us before. We ask that people coming, and especially if you are coming for the first time, that you take at least one week and preferably two to stay in Calais.

[Taf]

Someone has been asking Daily Mail readers to use the £1 ferry ticket the newspaper offers. Use the tickets to take food, clothes, etc. to the "refugees" in The Jungle.

I bet the Daily Mail loves that idea

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_6584282.html

[heero_yuy]

What insanity is this?

The BBC’s flagship religious show Songs of Praise is being filmed at a touching chapel within a migrants’ camp in Calais, it has emerged.

Producers have already spent two days shooting an episode at a makeshift Ethiopian Orthodox Church in the 'Jungle' camp, which will be broadcast on a date to be finalised.

And the full crew for Songs of Praise is due to arrive at the centre of the 5,000-strong camp this weekend - but host Aled Jones said he would not be present.

Yet another reason to stop paying the BBC tax. Everybody should flood the BBC with complaints.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

What insanity is this?



Yet another reason to stop paying the BBC tax. Everybody should flood the BBC with complaints.

They're all Gods people. let's all sing together.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

What insanity is this?



Yet another reason to stop paying the BBC tax. Everybody should flood the BBC with complaints.

As it's a religious programme, it might be that Christianity thing....

Matthew 25:40

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What a well thought out written article. In other news, I'm announcing my engagement to Catherine Zeta Jones, Smoking is proved to not have any detrimental health effects & Osama Bin Laden was actually an agent of the icelandic secret services.*


*Please note I'm supplying the same level of evidence as the above article to substantiate my claims.

Originally Posted by Damien

We shouldn't take the French version of events as gospel either, they'll have their own agenda to push as well as our own politicians. I wouldn't be surprised if anarchists were creating problems, that's what they do after all, however there doesn't appear to be much of evidence of it nor does it make too much sense at the moment.

I refer you both to my post above