Crackdown on 'rich' council house tenants

Originally Posted by papa smurf

you said you paid the same rent as the private sector you don't it is significantly less which is in effect a subsidy gifted to you by the nanny state
i'm going to sit here and laugh at you now ,

You are reading what you want to see not what is written

this is what I wrote in post 1

my council rent is neither cheap nor subsised it is exactly where the local market says it should be as I suspect most areas will be simply because that is how the LA's and associations set their rent levels ,London possibly being the exception

post 6

It will affect every working tenant if it is decided to simply raise rents to include the profit component of private landlords which I think is intended ,that will intern affect private tenants as their rents rise

My stance all through the thread has been that rents for LHA's are very similar if not the same minus the profit component .

[papa smurf]

still laughing

[joglynne]

@ martyh. Why does the profit element have any bearing on the fact that you will be paying at least 20% less than a person renting a comparable property from a private landlord.

The amount in question is the amount actually paid by the person renting a property. The formula being used does not take into account any profit being made from the rental.

[Taf]

It's not council tenants paying 20% less, it's tenants of private landlords paying 20% more. Because if you can't get a council house, your only option is to pay the extra the private landlords demand.

Originally Posted by joglynne

@ martyh. Why does the profit element have any bearing on the fact that you will be paying at least 20% less than a person renting a comparable property from a private landlord.

The amount in question is the amount actually paid by the person renting a property. The formula being used does not take into account any profit being made from the rental.

Because the only reason private rents are higher than LA rents is because of the profit element which could be anything depending on what the landlord wants or needs to make ,that is why the rent formula uses
this method to calculate rent

30 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative property values;
•
70 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative local earnings; and
•
a bedroom factor should be applied so that, other things being equal, smaller properties have lower rents.

expressed as a formula

70% of the national average rent Multiplied by relative county earnings
Multiplied by the bedroom weight
plus
30% of the national average rent
Multiplied by relative property value

A local example to me would be this
I pay £110 p/w for a 3 bed semi council house built around 1950-55 unfurnished ,

This house

10 mins walk from mine also a 3 bed semi is 635p/m or £48 per week more than mine £48 could be considered a very modest profit for a house of that standard ,my point being that private rents and council rents are not that different in reality especially when you consider that the quality of that house is far superior to mine ,that house is newly decorated, modernised and carpeted ,my house was a absolute pig sty when I moved in with an overgrown garden and no decorating been done for years

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

Gary for your information council rent levels are already set at local rent levels that include private rental properties ,in other words I already pay the market rate as do most other council tenants ,hence the enormous HB bill
So again I ask you how is my rent subsidised and how is it cheap.

so this man pays the same rent as a private renter and asks how is it cheap

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Originally Posted by martyh

Because the only reason private rents are higher than LA rents is because of the profit element which could be anything depending on what the landlord wants or needs to make ,that is why the rent formula uses
this method to calculate rent

30 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative property values;
•
70 percent of a property’s rent should be based on relative local earnings; and
•
a bedroom factor should be applied so that, other things being equal, smaller properties have lower rents.

expressed as a formula

70% of the national average rent Multiplied by relative county earnings
Multiplied by the bedroom weight
plus
30% of the national average rent
Multiplied by relative property value

A local example to me would be this
I pay £110 p/w for a 3 bed semi council house built around 1950-55 unfurnished ,

This house

10 mins walk from mine also a 3 bed semi is 635p/m or £48 per week more than mine £48 could be considered a very modest profit for a house of that standard ,my point being that private rents and council rents are not that different in reality especially when you consider that the quality of that house is far superior to mine ,that house is newly decorated, modernised and carpeted ,my house was a absolute pig sty when I moved in with an overgrown garden and no decorating been done for years

and this man pays nearly £200 per month less than the private renter
but they are the same man living in the same house and its still not cheap

Originally Posted by papa smurf

so this man pays the same rent as a private renter and asks how is it cheap

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and this man pays nearly £200 per month less than the private renter
but they are the same man living in the same house and its still not cheap

only £200pm less considering the superior quality of the house
compared to a council house

Or is the private renter paying £200 pm more because of superior quality

Despite your professed knowledge of living in council houses you seem to forget that council houses are very basic and it's up to the tenant to make them nice ,it's the exact opposite for private properties

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

only £200pm less considering the superior quality of the house
compared to a council house

Or is the private renter paying £200 pm more because of superior quality

Despite your professed knowledge of living in council houses you seem to forget that council houses are very basic and it's up to the tenant to make them nice ,it's the exact opposite for private properties

are you not this man

Quote:=martyh

Good god man are you not reading what you are writing ,that is the most prejudiced statement yet ,you seem to think that the area I live in is somehow a bad area because it is a council estate what on earth gives you the right to suggest I need to better myself because I live on a very nice council estate


but now its very basic -do you have the only basic house on this nice estate- take your time making up the next load of drivel you post as your fabrication seems to be falling apart

[Escapee]

The social housing my partner has in Cardiff costs approx £400 a month, and that's after healthy rent increases in the past few years. I believe it was a little over £300 a month when she moved in. The last time I checked which was around 6 months ago, the rent for a similar property in her area with a private landlord was between £900 and £1100 a month.

She's not grumbling much about rent increases because she knows she's been lucky to have had a massive subsidy for the 9 years that she has lived there.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

are you not this man

Quote:=martyh

Good god man are you not reading what you are writing ,that is the most prejudiced statement yet ,you seem to think that the area I live in is somehow a bad area because it is a council estate what on earth gives you the right to suggest I need to better myself because I live on a very nice council estate


but now its very basic -do you have the only basic house on this nice estate- take your time making up the next load of drivel you post as your fabrication seems to be falling apart

Wow you seem determined to twist everything I say to suit your viewpoint .Council houses do not generally come furnished , decorated or carpeted ,they are very basic ,it's up to the tenants to make them nice when this happens you end up with a nice estate like mine ,of course you wouldn't accept this because you think that inhabitants of such houses are **** bag scroungers living off the nanny state .You gave away your prejudice in your first post and have continued to reinforce that attitude in every post you write

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Escapee

The social housing my partner has in Cardiff costs approx £400 a month, and that's after healthy rent increases in the past few years. I believe it was a little over £300 a month when she moved in. The last time I checked which was around 6 months ago, the rent for a similar property in her area with a private landlord was between £900 and £1100 a month.

She's not grumbling much about rent increases because she knows she's been lucky to have had a massive subsidy for the 9 years that she has lived there.

the worrying thing to me is that councils are not handling public assets correctly offering massively subsidised rents is not getting the tax payer a fair return on their assets in fact revenues could be at least 25% higher and in these austere times we need every penny of revenue to balance the books we are all in this together

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Originally Posted by martyh

Wow you seem determined to twist everything I say to suit your viewpoint .Council houses do not generally come furnished , decorated or carpeted ,they are very basic ,it's up to the tenants to make them nice when this happens you end up with a nice estate like mine ,of course you wouldn't accept this because you think that inhabitants of such houses are **** bag scroungers living off the nanny state .You gave away your prejudice in your first post and have continued to reinforce that attitude in every post you write

yes its all my fault again you make things up and i'm to blame- i have not called any one a **** bag or a scrounger that's your interpretation of council estate residents not mine .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

yes its all my fault again you make things up and i'm to blame- i have not called any one a **** bag or a scrounger that's your interpretation of council estate residents not mine .

what exactly have I made up do please enlighten everyone

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

what exactly have I made up do please enlighten everyone

what haven't you would be easier -don't you worry about every one else they can all read

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Originally Posted by Taf

It's not council tenants paying 20% less, it's tenants of private landlords paying 20% more. Because if you can't get a council house, your only option is to pay the extra the private landlords demand.

that's a rather interesting slant on the situation maybe worth a thread of its own [exploitation of private renters ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

The social housing my partner has in Cardiff costs approx £400 a month, and that's after healthy rent increases in the past few years. I believe it was a little over £300 a month when she moved in. The last time I checked which was around 6 months ago, the rent for a similar property in her area with a private landlord was between £900 and £1100 a month.

She's not grumbling much about rent increases because she knows she's been lucky to have had a massive subsidy for the 9 years that she has lived there.

This one for £550 pcm

http://sellsgood.co.uk/real-estate/r...arking/5871699

or this one £429 pcm

https://www.openrent.co.uk/property-...eet-cf81/38728

Not having a dig or anything but I would suggest that the prices you are seeing include agents fees and are not strictly comparable to social houses

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

what haven't you would be easier -don't you worry about every one else they can all read

so in other words you can't actually back up your statement...... again

[Chad]

I've been trying to find clear information on this today following the budget without much success. Is this effecting the whole of the UK or just England and Wales?