Crackdown on 'rich' council house tenants

[peanut]

A stupid question but how do you know if you're paying full or being subsidised?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by peanut

A stupid question but how do you know if you're paying full or being subsidised?

just look at local house rents for comparable property, around here council rent is around %25 cheaper and who picks up the slack the tax payer

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no its subsidised from the council tax we all pay into making council rents much cheaper than the going private rent
so when some say they are paying "full rent " they aren't they are getting a huge discount from the nanny state

If you knew what you are talking about it would be good ,there is no subsidy from council tax or any where else ,the only difference between my rent and the private rent down the road is the profit margin ,council rents across the country are set using the private sector in the local area as a level .

Despite repeated requests no one has managed to explain how rents are subsidised ,because they are not .

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

If you knew what you are talking about it would be good ,there is no subsidy from council tax or any where else ,the only difference between my rent and the private rent down the road is the profit margin ,council rents across the country are set using the private sector in the local area as a level .

Despite repeated requests no one has managed to explain how rents are subsidised ,because they are not .

utter tosh -i just can't take you seriously 25% less than private rent is not setting an area level its subsidising a lifestyle choice you just refuse to accept it .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

utter tosh -i just can't take you seriously 25% less than private rent is not setting an area level its subsidising a lifestyle choice you just refuse to accept it .

then your area must be special either that or your just making stuff up to try to justify your weak argument

Show some facts ,figures ,local authority accounts to show this supposed subsidy and how much it is and who pays it ,if it comes out of council tax which you claim ,guess what ,I pay full council tax as well

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

then your area must be special either that or your just making stuff up to try to justify your weak argument

Show some facts ,figures ,local authority accounts to show this supposed subsidy and how much it is and who pays it ,if it comes out of council tax which you claim ,guess what ,I pay full council tax as well

i'm not part of your beloved nanny state if want information get off you behind and look yourself - any way i find it very difficult to converse with you when you are constantly so aggressive and insulting your not interested in facts you won't accept any opinion other than the one that suits you ....
full council tax does that equate to the 25%saving on the rent

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by martyh

then your area must be special either that or your just making stuff up to try to justify your weak argument

Show some facts ,figures ,local authority accounts to show this supposed subsidy and how much it is and who pays it ,if it comes out of council tax which you claim ,guess what ,I pay full council tax as well

I've tried my best to keep out of this one but.....

This page from Your Homes Newcastle (your landlord?) explains how rents are set. It says nothing about rents being based on comparable private rented properties in the local area, it then links to this page which explains Government Policy On Rent Reform And Convergence. In this explanation there's a very interesting part which says:

The Government wants the rents charged by social landlords to be fair and affordable. It believes that their rents should:

• remain affordable in the future; generally be well below those charged by private landlords;
• be linked to the size, location and condition of the home; and
• be similar to rents for other council and housing association properties of a similar size, location, and condition.

So it looks like your understanding of how rents are set is pretty wrong and looking at your landlord's website maybe even they feel your getting a bit of a bargain!! Granted it doesn't say anything about low rents being subsidised but it also makes it clear they are intentionally below the going 'private' rate.

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i'm not part of your beloved nanny state if want information get off you behind and look yourself - any way i find it very difficult to converse with you when you are constantly so aggressive and insulting your not interested in facts you won't accept any opinion other than the one that suits you ....
full council tax does that equate to the 25%saving on the rent

In other words you have no facts ,you cannot show how rents are subsidised and your argument has no basis in fact .

For you information rent levels across the country ,in all LHA's use the same process to set their rent levels and that includes market value of the house ,average earnings in the area and number of rooms in the house ,also all housing associations use exactly the same method ,this method has been in use for some years now and was introduced to reduce the disparity between Council rents and private rents .I suggest the next time you feel the need to spout off you get off your backside and look for the facts first .

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by martyh

then your area must be special either that or your just making stuff up to try to justify your weak argument

Show some facts ,figures ,local authority accounts to show this supposed subsidy and how much it is and who pays it ,if it comes out of council tax which you claim ,guess what ,I pay full council tax as well

How about using my area as an example. Trafford MBC set the Affordable Rent at up to 80% of market rent as laid down by the National Affordable Housing Programme 2011-2015, so when living in social housing Trafford tenants receive at least a 20% reduction against those renting comparable properties from private landlords.

https://www.trafford.gov.uk/about-yo...ategy-2012.pdf

I have no problem with anyone living in social housing but to say that they are paying the same amount as would be charged for an identical property in the private sector is highly questionable in view of the way council approved rents are calculated using the Affordable Rents Scheme.

http://www.affordablehomeadvice.co.u...nt-scheme.html

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I've tried my best to keep out of this one but.....

This page from Your Homes Newcastle (your landlord?) explains how rents are set. It says nothing about rents being based on comparable private rented properties in the local area, it then links to this page which explains Government Policy On Rent Reform And Convergence. In this explanation there's a very interesting part which says:

So it looks like your understanding of how rents are set is pretty wrong and looking at your landlord's website maybe even they feel your getting a bit of a bargain!! Granted it doesn't say anything about low rents being subsidised but it also makes it clear they are intentionally below the going 'private' rate.

Cheers

Grim

Which is what I have written below for Papas benefit which is pretty much exactly what I said all through the thread ,minus the profit margin my rent is pretty much the same as any private rent of a similar property in the same or close area

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I've tried my best to keep out of this one but.....

This page from Your Homes Newcastle (your landlord?) explains how rents are set. It says nothing about rents being based on comparable private rented properties in the local area, it then links to this page which explains Government Policy On Rent Reform And Convergence. In this explanation there's a very interesting part which says:

So it looks like your understanding of how rents are set is pretty wrong and looking at your landlord's website maybe even they feel your getting a bit of a bargain!! Granted it doesn't say anything about low rents being subsidised but it also makes it clear they are intentionally below the going 'private' rate.

Cheers

Grim

well that blows martys fabrication out of the water perhaps the next time he feels the need to spout off he should get off the sofa walk into the house and check out the facts

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Originally Posted by joglynne

How about using my area as an example. Trafford MBC set the Affordable Rent at up to 80% of market rent as laid down by the National Affordable Housing Programme 2011-2015, so when living in social housing Trafford tenants receive at least a 20% reduction against those renting comparable properties from private landlords.

https://www.trafford.gov.uk/about-yo...ategy-2012.pdf

I have no problem with anyone living in social housing but to say that they are paying the same amount as would be charged for an identical property in the private sector is highly questionable in view of the way council approved rents are calculated using the Affordable Rents Scheme.

http://www.affordablehomeadvice.co.u...nt-scheme.html

its all coming out now

Originally Posted by joglynne

How about using my area as an example. Trafford MBC set the Affordable Rent at up to 80% of market rent as laid down by the National Affordable Housing Programme 2011-2015, so when living in social housing Trafford tenants receive at least a 20% reduction against those renting comparable properties from private landlords.

https://www.trafford.gov.uk/about-yo...ategy-2012.pdf

I have no problem with anyone living in social housing but to say that they are paying the same amount as would be charged for an identical property in the private sector is highly questionable in view of the way council approved rents are calculated using the Affordable Rents Scheme.

http://www.affordablehomeadvice.co.u...nt-scheme.html

Your example leaves 20% profit above the council rent for the private landlord ,if you take that profit off any private rent you will find the rents very similar ,simply because the private landlord will use similar methods to set their rent ,they will use size of property ,location of property ,value of property and how much rents are set in the area. There simply is not any subsidy

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

well that blows martys fabrication out of the water perhaps the next time he feels the need to spout off he should get off the sofa walk into the house and check out the facts

I wrote exactly the same as Grimm you numpty

[Taf]

The Government wants the rents charged by social landlords to be fair and affordable. It believes that their rents should:

remain affordable in the future; generally be well below those charged by private landlords;

be linked to the size, location and condition of the home; and

be similar to rents for other council and housing association properties of a similar size, location, and condition.

Here in Cardiff rents were changed a short while ago, so that you pay by number of bedrooms no matter where you live in the city, no matter what condition they may be in.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no its subsidised from the council tax we all pay into making council rents much cheaper than the going private rent
so when some say they are paying "full rent " they aren't they are getting a huge discount from the nanny state

Its not subsidised from council tax or anything else in fact over the life of the property even taking repairs, buying the origional land and building it the council makes a healthy profit

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

Your example leaves 20% profit above the council rent for the private landlord ,if you take that profit off any private rent you will find the rents very similar ,simply because the private landlord will use similar methods to set their rent ,they will use size of property ,location of property ,value of property and how much rents are set in the area. There simply is not any subsidy

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I wrote exactly the same as Grimm you numpty

you said you paid the same rent as the private sector you don't it is significantly less which is in effect a subsidy gifted to you by the nanny state
i'm going to sit here and laugh at you now ,