Crackdown on 'rich' council house tenants

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by peanut

The argument is that if you're on that kind of money you should be able to afford to get a mortgage and not be in social housing as it's for those that need it.

I would agree totally with at.

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Originally Posted by Bulky

This, it annoys the hell out of me , the council estate at the back of us have recently all had new roofs with solar panels installed (my roof needs doing and I wouldn't be against having solar panels but can't afford it at present). The amount of the property's with really nice and new BMWs and Mercedes, 2 cars on the drive , obviously earning some serious money. I always thought council houses were there to help people struggling to afford their own property , surely as soon as they have a decent job and earn enough they should go private rental or get themselves on the property ladder ?

^ Indeed

[Gary L]

I wonder how many homes are being taken up by those who can afford to rent or buy their own. that could be given to people who need them?
it would take a few off the streets too.

[Bulky]

Originally Posted by martyh

I knew you would say that you know them ,

I have security and a good job

Why would I not know people around my area ?, one of the houses has at least £60000 worth of cars on the drive but lives in a council owned house , how can this be right ??

If you have security and a good job why not take the plunge and invest in your own property instead of throwing your money down the drain and spending money on something you don't own ?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

I knew you would say that you know them ,

I pay rent to a private registered landlord that happens to be an LA ,I have security and a good job so the only difference between me and a private landlord is that my house is better maintained and I get a secure tenancy instead of a 6 or 12 month one in a crap hole the landlord refuses to repair .

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Your prejudices are showing again .

My area is very nice thank you ,there are currently 5,000 private and social houses being built a few hundred yards from me ,all on the same site so I bet that really gets up your nose .....council tenants living next to private home owners what is the world coming to

i was brought up on a council estate not sure what prejudice i would have, it was and still is a crap hole i wouldn't wish it on anyone i only suggested you might want to better yourself by moving area

Originally Posted by Gary L

I wonder how many homes are being taken up by those who can afford to rent or buy their own. that could be given to people who need them?
it would take a few off the streets too.

That is the most nonsensical statement ever

who do mean by saying "people who need them" do I not need a house ? do you need a house more than someone else ?
and the only thing that takes people off the streets is building more houses not forcing people to take out mortgages or private lets they cannot afford

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

Gary for your information council rent levels are already set at local rent levels that include private rental properties ,in other words I already pay the market rate as do most other council tenants ,hence the enormous HB bill
So again I ask you how is my rent subsidised and how is it cheap.

Thats funny because here in Warrington my daughter has moved in to a council house after being on the list for 6 years and pays £180 a month less than when she was in a private rent. That extra saving is paying towards a deposit now.

Originally Posted by Bulky

Why would I not know people around my area ?, one of the houses has at least £60000 worth of cars on the drive but lives in a council owned house , how can this be right ??

Why can't it be right ? without people like me paying full rent from wages you would not have any decent council housing at all ,instead you would have slum dwellings inhabited only by the unemployed ,you forget that the only way that LA's can afford to provide suitable housing for disabled people(for example) is by the money they make from people who don't rely on housing benefit to pay the rent

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i was brought up on a council estate not sure what prejudice i would have, it was and still is a crap hole i wouldn't wish it on anyone i only suggested you might want to better yourself by moving area

Good god man are you not reading what you are writing ,that is the most prejudiced statement yet ,you seem to think that the area I live in is somehow a bad area because it is a council estate what on earth gives you the right to suggest I need to better myself because I live on a very nice council estate

[peanut]

Originally Posted by martyh

This isn't a cut ,it is an increase in social rents targeting those workers who live in social housing ,possibly saving for a mortgage ,the increase in rents will mean less saving towards a mortgage defeating the purpose of the policy.

I bet Osborne tries to include this in his 12 billion benefits cuts

Why shouldn't he include this in those proposed cuts? I hope he does. I don't see why those at the bottom should be the only target.

It seems like people like yourself think you don't deserve to be part of the austerity cuts because you think you've earned the right not to be touched. But at the same time don't mind those that are struggling to be hit as long as it's not you.

It's like when child benefits cuts came in and the amount of concern voiced from those on £70,000 that kicked up a fuss.

As you say, without people like you.....

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

That is the most nonsensical statement ever

who do mean by saying "people who need them" do I not need a house ? do you need a house more than someone else ?
and the only thing that takes people off the streets is building more houses not forcing people to take out mortgages or private lets they cannot afford

Look. we're having a crisis. we have no money. Tesco's is even helping out trying to raise food for the UK.
if 'rich' people have money then they should be looking after themselves by supporting themselves in giving their council house to a person who can't afford to buy one. or as Osbourne says "pay full rent"

the poor helped out by giving up their 3 bedroomed or paying the tax on it.
the 'rich' are now having to do their part. we didn't expect the unemployed and on benefits to do al the hard work did we?

or did we?

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Originally Posted by peanut

Why shouldn't he include this in those proposed cuts? I hope he does. I don't see why those at the bottom should be the only target.

It seems like people like yourself think you don't deserve to be part of the austerity cuts because you think you've earned the right not to be touched. But at the same time don't mind those that are struggling to be hit as long as it's not you.

It's like when child benefits cuts came in and the amount of concern voiced from those on £70,000 that kicked up a fuss.

As you say, without people like you.....

I always said that a lot of people only voted Conservatives because they thought Dave loved them

Originally Posted by Sirius

Thats funny because here in Warrington my daughter has moved in to a council house after being on the list for 6 years and pays £180 a month less than when she was in a private rent. That extra saving is paying towards a deposit now.

Which would be the profit component which until recently councils where not allowed to make .£45 per week is probably about the extra she will be charged on her rent when the government allow the council to make a profit on her rent so that means saving for deposits will become even harder as if they aren't hard enough

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Bulky

This, it annoys the hell out of me , the council estate at the back of us have recently all had new roofs with solar panels installed (my roof needs doing and I wouldn't be against having solar panels but can't afford it at present). The amount of the property's with really nice and new BMWs and Mercedes, 2 cars on the drive , obviously earning some serious money. I always thought council houses were there to help people struggling to afford their own property , surely as soon as they have a decent job and earn enough they should go private rental or get themselves on the property ladder ?

I'm a bit confused, tenants are not allowed to do things like get solar panels on their roof, so this would either be people that OWN their house, or maybe the Council/HA has had it done, in which case the tenant won't get the benefit.

Either way, what's the problem?

[Bulky]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I'm a bit confused, tenants are not allowed to do things like get solar panels on their roof, so this would either be people that OWN their house, or maybe the Council/HA has had it done, in which case the tenant won't get the benefit.

Either way, what's the problem?

What is to be confused about , the council paid to have nice new roofs put on people's property's who have £60000 worth of cars on the drive

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Which would be the profit component which until recently councils where not allowed to make .£45 per week is probably about the extra she will be charged on her rent when the government allow the council to make a profit on her rent so that means saving for deposits will become even harder as if they aren't hard enough

You can still do it I suppose. it will just take a bit longer?

the same could be said about the Bedroom Tax. they could have been saving that money. but now they're having to hand it over sort of thing.

one way you could look at it is that the lower rents were not there permenantly anyway. so Osbourne and many others could say that it was never a permenant case. but just like the Bedroom Tax. some agreed and some didn't.

all these cuts are really dragging on. but it's good to see Tesco's helping out.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Bulky

What is to be confused about , the council paid to have nice new roofs put on people's property's who have £60000 worth of cars on the drive

Bitter much? The council have a duty to maintain their properties, like I said, the tenant won't get the benefit of the solar panels, the Council will, plus they're maintaining the property, are they supposed to not maintain the property of anyone who has an expensive car in their drive?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

Why can't it be right ? without people like me paying full rent from wages you would not have any decent council housing at all ,instead you would have slum dwellings inhabited only by the unemployed ,you forget that the only way that LA's can afford to provide suitable housing for disabled people(for example) is by the money they make from people who don't rely on housing benefit to pay the rent

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Good god man are you not reading what you are writing ,that is the most prejudiced statement yet ,you seem to think that the area I live in is somehow a bad area because it is a council estate what on earth gives you the right to suggest I need to better myself because I live on a very nice council estate

your obviously happy having the state house you and pay for upgrades at the expense of those less well off and desperately in need of accommodation, but if your happy i guess that's all that matters after all its your god given right to have a state funded home no matter how much you earn , i wonder what you could achieve if you had a little ambition .