Council cuts - why Cameron has to go

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who borrowed more in five years than labour did in thirteen, who doubled the national debt, take a bow Gideon, labour might not be any good with the cash but don't think Dave and his chums are any better

The initial level of spending and borrowing was set by LABOUR. The spending for 2010/11 would have been set by LABOUR. Not much could be done about that as the departmental budgets would have already been set. In 1997 Labour inherited a good situation and initially they continued with Conservative spending plans. Then they started borrowing to increase spending and that was long before 2008. Look at all the squeals about austerity because of the past excessive spending by LABOUR.
How many more times does this have to be pointed out?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

You're great value, I'll give you that ...

Seeing as Gideon inherited massive financial liabilities, put there by Labour, is it your suggestion that he should somehow have shaken the magic money tree and paid for everything without use of borrowing or spending cuts?

Massive liabilities including bank bailouts that Gideon doubled whilst telling us that we had to go into austerity and spending cuts, you might think I'm good value but I think anyone taken in by any political party at the moment is better value, not to mention pretty gullible

[Timbo7]

To pay off this debt which Labour caused (and was not down to the global meltdown despite what they say), you only have certain methods to control it:-

A) Borrow more
B) Cut services
C) Raise taxes.

The tories have done a mixture of all 3 but have a plan to balance the budget. Labour harp on about the mansion tax and taxing the rich even more which can only be taken so far and could lead to the richest leaving this country and taking their money with them to more favorable areas of the globe. Their plan as usual does not add up.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Massive liabilities including bank bailouts that Gideon doubled whilst telling us that we had to go into austerity and spending cuts, you might think I'm good value but I think anyone taken in by any political party at the moment is better value, not to mention pretty gullible

There were massive liabilities even excluding bank bailouts. It also was happening BEFORE any bank bailouts and recession.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Massive liabilities including bank bailouts that Gideon doubled whilst telling us that we had to go into austerity and spending cuts, you might think I'm good value but I think anyone taken in by any political party at the moment is better value, not to mention pretty gullible

Spot on. People seem to forget just how corrupt the whole system is.

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Originally Posted by Timbo7

To pay off this debt which Labour caused (and was not down to the global meltdown despite what they say), you only have certain methods to control it:-

A) Borrow more
B) Cut services
C) Raise taxes.

The tories have done a mixture of all 3 but have a plan to balance the budget. Labour harp on about the mansion tax and taxing the rich even more which can only be taken so far and could lead to the richest leaving this country and taking their money with them to more favorable areas of the globe. Their plan as usual does not add up.

Let them take it and sod off.

[Kabaal]

I think people in general are becoming more aware these days of the current system only offering bad or worse when it comes to political parties. Sadly the days are gone where we stand up and demand better, now we just go with the lesser of x evils.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

There were massive liabilities even excluding bank bailouts. It also was happening BEFORE any bank bailouts and recession.

How many budgets has Gideon had now and it's still the other showers fault he's talking about doing something about the debt crisis by 2017 and if he doesn't it'll still be their fault

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...onal-debt.html

[Escapee]

My local authority by the way a Labour one for over 90 years is in a severe financial position, yes the government is making cuts but the authority will not make any staff redundancies, instead they are increasing council tax and decreasing the services they provide. I did some research a few months ago and my local authority appears to employ one hell of a lot more than similar size (population) authorities in England. (Labour and Conservative)

I guess it only goes to prove that they are desperate not to lose what they are well known for, the old saying was that Welsh Labour had the greatest number of civil servants this side of the iron curtain.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who borrowed more in five years than labour did in thirteen, who doubled the national debt, take a bow Gideon, labour might not be any good with the cash but don't think Dave and his chums are any better

With the shambles left by Labour it's not surprising that debt has increased.

I'm curious: You're criticising the increase in the deficit. Given that our economic growth is currently the best in the EU, historically higher than the UK average, that is providing realistically the maximum revenues from that source, what your preferred method of squaring the circle is: Increased taxes and/or deeper cuts?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

My god the Tory lovers on this forum.

Put it this way, When evil Thatcher came into power. She ripped this country to pieces. This is why people were delighted when she got ousted.

What is happening now is that Government levies to council is that they have to CUT finance

Under the Tories, there is now a reduction on A&E DEPARTMENTS, council services - this is down to the Government cuts.

This NOT Labours faults. It was said in the debate with Paxman. That Osborne BORROWED MORE money than Labour ever did.

This poor guy, is a fighter. He fault for his country, and deserves ten times better than the treatment he is getting now.

Why, should he use his own savings to pay for care - its not right

[denphone]

We are a democracy Arthur and as such people are allowed to have their view as you are even if you don't like their views as remember there are people out their who disagree with your views just like you disagree with their's.

By the way l am not a Tory lover but then again l am not enamoured by the others either.

[Stephen]

Arthur getting his facts wrong again or just ignoring them.

I have never voted Conservative and never will. I am labour through and through, same as my father.

However you fail to listen to folk. That council is labour and they are simply doing what they have to do. Others have to pay their own fees so why should the council pay when there are cheaper options around.

I am not being harsh, just honest.

[papa smurf]

what does this man need -3 meals a day. a little help getting around someone to talk to, a little love -these are all things his own family can provide

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

what does this man need -3 meals a day. a little help getting around someone to talk to, a little love -these are all things his own family can provide

Didn't you get the memo. It's not the job of the family to take care of their own anymore. It is the states responsibility ( I.e. You and me) to look after everyone.

[Kabaal]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Didn't you get the memo. It's not the job of the family to take care of their own anymore. It is the states responsibility ( I.e. You and me) to look after everyone.

We don't live in an ideal world.