Terrorist Netanyahu Re-elected

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If your land was taken from you illegally, you would be pretty angry.

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Exactly, Netanyahu has stated that he will increase building on settlement land as soon as he gets elected

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

There is that ,but I wouldn't say that Israel is blameless either

Hilarious.

Oh yeah.... There is that. But Israel are bad too......

Originally Posted by Taf

Palestine doesn't want peace with Israel, they only want its total annihilation.

"Palestine" is the bits of Egypt and Jordan that Egypt and Jordan don't want.

Originally Posted by Chris

"Palestine" is the bits of Egypt and Jordan that Egypt and Jordan don't want.

Isn't it also the part that the people there want to be a state?

Originally Posted by Damien

Isn't it also the part that the people there want to be a state?

Most people in Glasgow and Dundee want to be a state. It's more complex than that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Elected by the people in a fair and free election with open opposition parties able to put their alternatives, unlike most of the leaders in the middle east.

In what way does the OP consider him to be a terrorist?

In the same way the Turkish pm considers him to be perhaps

http://rt.com/news/222955-israel-massacre-gaza-paris/

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Originally Posted by Chris

Yay, an open, free and fair election has occurred in a middle eastern country where all electors were able to cast their votes without fear of intimidation based on their ethnic or religious identity.

What was the topic again?

Doesn't sound very open or fair

http://972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-i...mocracy/58756/

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

In the same way the Turkish pm considers him to be perhaps

http://rt.com/news/222955-israel-massacre-gaza-paris/

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Doesn't sound very open or fair

http://972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-i...mocracy/58756/

That's some rather tortured logic.

The blogger writes for a website that states in its opening "about us" paragraph "we oppose the occupation" yet at the same time she chooses to construe Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as citizens who *should* have a vote, which then allows her to concoct a figure that suggests a large percentage of (mostly Palestinian) "citizens" are being denied their democratic rights.

She can't have her cake and eat it.

But how can they be "Palestinians" for the purpose of the election (so don't have a vote), when Israel doesn't recognise the PalestinIan State?

Originally Posted by Hugh

But how can they be "Palestinians" for the purpose of the election (so don't have a vote), when Israel doesn't recognise the PalestinIan State?

I think that's the wrong question. Eligibility to vote in a national general election isn't about the existence or otherwise of a foreign state. It's about who has citizenship of the state holding the election. It is very common for national general elections to extend voting rights to citizens staying abroad and for residents, even permanent, who do not have citizenship, to be excluded. Even Netanyahu doesn't claim that the status of Gaza and the West Bank has been finally settled, one way or the other.

The situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories is complex and trite blogs accusing the Israeli government of disenfranchising people who don't want to live under Israeli government, and in many cases don't even recognise that government's right to exist, are not helpful.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's some rather tortured logic.

The blogger writes for a website that states in its opening "about us" paragraph "we oppose the occupation" yet at the same time she chooses to construe Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as citizens who *should* have a vote, which then allows her to concoct a figure that suggests a large percentage of (mostly Palestinian) "citizens" are being denied their democratic rights.

She can't have her cake and eat it.

Originally Posted by Chris

I think that's the wrong question. Eligibility to vote in a national general election isn't about the existence or otherwise of a foreign state. It's about who has citizenship of the state holding the election. It is very common for national general elections to extend voting rights to citizens staying abroad and for residents, even permanent, who do not have citizenship, to be excluded. Even Netanyahu doesn't claim that the status of Gaza and the West Bank has been finally settled, one way or the other.

The situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories is complex and trite blogs accusing the Israeli government of disenfranchising people who don't want to live under Israeli government, and in many cases don't even recognise that government's right to exist, are not helpful.

Democracy isn't limited to a general election every five years and imo when people living less than a mile away have different voting, education, health, welfare, employment and legal rights I'd say they weren't living in a democracy no more than the south Africans were

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Democracy isn't limited to a general election every five years and imo when people living less than a mile away have different voting, education, health, welfare, employment and legal rights I'd say they weren't living in a democracy no more than the south Africans were

So ... You're content to insist the West Bank is occupied territory, and then complain when Israel administers is like an occupied territory?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

So ... You're content to insist the West Bank is occupied territory, and then complain when Israel administers is like an occupied territory?

So you say saying that as it is an occupied territory, the people there should be treated poorly? What are you actually saying here?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Democracy isn't limited to a general election every five years and imo when people living less than a mile away have different voting, education, health, welfare, employment and legal rights I'd say they weren't living in a democracy no more than the south Africans were

Are you talking about People living in Gretna and people living Carlisle?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

So ... You're content to insist the West Bank is occupied territory, and then complain when Israel administers is like an occupied territory?

Where's the voting rights for Palestinians abroad that hold claim to property and land in Israel? Also east Jerusalem isn't considered occupied by Israel nor do they consider the west bank to be anything more than a territorial dispute rather than an occupation

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Are you talking about People living in Gretna and people living Carlisle?

Oh right, they've devolved powers

Originally Posted by ianch99

So you say saying that as it is an occupied territory, the people there should be treated poorly? What are you actually saying here?

What I'm saying here is that neither side has covered itself in glory over the past 67 years, and the synthetic moral outrage that characterises both sides of the debate over Israel and Palestine is both pointless and hypocritical.

For example, "the people there should be treated poorly". What sort of statement is that? To give people who consider themselves occupied a vote on the composition of the occupying state's government? That's fantasy politics by people who prefer to use moral certainty as a comfort blanket rather than dealing with the world as it really is.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Where's the voting rights for Palestinians abroad that hold claim to property and land in Israel? Also east Jerusalem isn't considered occupied by Israel nor do they consider the west bank to be anything more than a territorial dispute rather than an occupation

Ah yes, the "right of return".

You do know, don't you, that this most ludicrous of all Palestinian demands has been the one thing that has allowed Israel to avoid reaching terms with them all these years?

If all the Palestinians who had that "right" were able to exercise it, they would immediately become the ethnic majority in Israel, and able to vote the state out of existence at the first opportunity. For that reason, Israel will never, under any circumstances, agree to it.

Incidentally a great many "Palestinians" who claim that right were not born in Israel and have never been there. Go figure.