European Terror Attacks

Originally Posted by Pierre

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Apparently it's very easy to insult Islam. They need to be less sensitive.

If they can't handle their " prophet" being cartooned that's their issue not ours. You can't see that because you're an apologist for them.

That's just a ridiculous thing to say and if you had spent time reading the posts in this thread you would know that my argument is purely that if someone or a group of people are going to deliberately set out to insult a group of people known for violent reaction then crying because they react violently is a bit stupid really.The answer is ,and i know this will be hard for you to grasp, is don't set out to deliberately offend ,if you do then be prepared for the reaction .That is not me being an apologist or a Muslim sympathiser it's just common sense
The BBC have a duty of care to the people who work for them ,as do all the other news outlets,they have decided that the risk is to great to the staff so they will not republish deliberately offensive (to Muslims) material .That is not weakness or cowardice by the BBC it is the behaviour of a responsible employer and as highlited by Mr Angry possibly an employer staying within the restictions of free speech as defined by the laws of this country
Part of the problem in my opinion is also that there are people on this forum and in the wider world who are so anti religious as to almost be extremist themselves and that does not help any discussion involving religion ,it usually rapidly decends into a 'them' and 'us' discussion

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Some interesting views from Will Self and cartoonist Martin Rowson on C4 news.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152659689741939

Quite agree with both

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Originally Posted by Russ

I don't get that. The sentiment I've been getting from his posts in this is along the lines of "you can have free speech if you want but be prepared for any consequences as a result".
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Thank you ,that's exactly my sentiment

That's my worry and is what I reckon we'll be seeing more of

I think the same especially given the rise of far right politics in Europe.It may also help if the Muslim community Europewide did something aside from simple condemnation ,perhaps a mass rally accross Europe to start with

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's just a ridiculous thing to say and if you had spent time reading the posts in this thread you would know that my argument is purely that if someone or a group of people are going to deliberately set out to insult a group of people known for violent reaction then crying because they react violently is a bit stupid really.The answer is ,and i know this will be hard for you to grasp, is don't set out to deliberately offend ,if you do then be prepared for the reaction .That is not me being an apologist or a Muslim sympathiser it's just common sense
The BBC have a duty of care to the people who work for them ,as do all the other news outlets,they have decided that the risk is to great to the staff so they will not republish deliberately offensive (to Muslims) material .That is not weakness or cowardice by the BBC it is the behaviour of a responsible employer and as highlited by Mr Angry possibly an employer staying within the restictions of free speech as defined by the laws of this country
Part of the problem in my opinion is also that there are people on this forum and in the wider world who are so anti religious as to almost be extremist themselves and that does not help any discussion involving religion ,it usually rapidly decends into a 'them' and 'us' discussion

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Quite agree with both

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Thank you ,that's exactly my sentiment




I think the same especially given the rise of far right politics in Europe.It may also help if the Muslim community Europewide did something aside from simple condemnation ,perhaps a mass rally accross Europe to start with

and what conclusion do we draw if they don't ?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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and what conclusion do we draw if they don't ?

Who's we ? You can draw whatever conclusion you want as can anyone ,i would draw the conclusion that if they don't do something other than platitudes then the wider Muslim community will start to lose support from those who currently support them and peacfull Muslims will suffer as a result

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

Who's we ? You can draw whatever conclusion you want as can anyone ,i would draw the conclusion that if they don't do something other than platitudes then the wider Muslim community will start to lose support from those who currently support them and peacfull Muslims will suffer as a result

we Europeans .

[Ignitionnet]

Nick Cohen putting his head above the parapet at the Grauniad.

[papa smurf]

meanwhile back home

'What do you expect if you insult Islam?' British hate preacher BACKS the Paris massacres and tells his followers 'Britain is the enemy of Islam'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3OWE0tm4h
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[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

meanwhile back home

'What do you expect if you insult Islam?' British hate preacher BACKS the Paris massacres and tells his followers 'Britain is the enemy of Islam'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3OWE0tm4h
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Given he's on police bail for similar comments I would suggest he's not going to be keeping his liberty for long.

Whether you agree with his right to say those things or not they're potentially illegal. Disagreeing with a law isn't licence to ignore it.

[Gary L]

'Britain is the enemy of Islam'

so piddle off before we kick your ass.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

'Britain is the enemy of Islam'

so piddle off before we kick your ass.

[papa smurf]

Fear of criticising Islam has given Britain self-imposed blasphemy law, warns former archbishop Carey

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3OWkQRoWL
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[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

78% of British Muslims asked thought those who made the Danish cartoons in 2005 should've been prosecuted for causing them offence and indeed blaspheming against them.

That is actually from a survey, not pulled from my hindmost.

78% of British Muslims find the idea of free speech, which isn't causing anyone any physical harm or putting them in danger, offensive, because Sunni Islam tells them to.

I posted research about muslim attitudes many pages back and it was ignored as everyone simply carried on with the "muslims don't support or condone this behaviour" line of hogwash.

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Originally Posted by martyh

don't set out to deliberately offend ,if you do then be prepared for the reaction .That is not me being an apologist or a Muslim sympathiser it's just common sense

You may as well say that we shouldn't stop violent criminals from going about their criminal activities since they wouldn't like that and might turn violent

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You may as well say that we shouldn't stop violent criminals from going about their criminal activities since they wouldn't like that and might turn violent

If the media continued to publish material designed to ridicule and offend Islam, would you be surprised if the nutter element carried out further attacks or actions against them?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Russ

If the media continued to publish material designed to ridicule and offend Islam, would you be surprised if the nutter element carried out further attacks or actions against them?

Muzzling the mass media is not going to stop those nutters attacking us so why bother?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Muzzling the mass media is not going to stop those nutters attacking us so why bother?

Not the question I asked.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Russ

If the media continued to publish material designed to ridicule and offend Islam, would you be surprised if the nutter element carried out further attacks or actions against them?

Nope, I wouldn't. I don't know what the answer to this is but I'm pretty sure we shouldn't self-censor because a bunch of violent bullies who have their heads in the middle ages can't behave like rational adults.
The only answer that I can think of is for every publication in the western world to agree to publish cartoons about mohammed on a daily basis until muslims grow up and stop chucking their toys out of the pram.