TV licence non payment could be made a civil offence

It's also peanuts compared to the amount you have to pay for rent or mortgage if the State isn't paying any of it for you. Stop moaning and vote Tory if you want your TV licence fee cut.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

It's also peanuts compared to the amount you have to pay for rent or mortgage if the State isn't paying any of it for you. Stop moaning and vote Tory if you want your TV licence fee cut.

Vote Tory. as if.

I don't pay for a TV licence. so there's no gain for me even if it was cut.

[telegramsam]

Following on from a previous posting. It is correct as stated previously by someone on here that you can watch catch up tv without the need of a tv licence. HOWEVER if you watch it on a tv set it must be unable to receive live pictures because if it does you MUST have a tv licence. The licencing aurthorities wont accept that you are honest and promise not to tune in to any live broadcasts! Watch on a mobile phone? You need a tv licence because again you can watch live tv on them! Laptop/PC? Sorry still need a licence because.....yes you guessed you can watch live tv on there too! I know this because I had a conversasion with a guy from the licencing aurthority a couple of weeks ago and he said as much,and pointed me to the cans and can`ts on the tv licence itself.
My opinion is very clear,it is an unfair tv tax because if you want to watch tv you have to pay it and the BBC get all the money raised. The BBC should get off it`s fat lazy backside and work to raise funds to run their channels through advertising like other channels do instead of relying on hand outs like the parasite they are!
Before someone says it I`m not anti BBC,I think they make some decent programs,I just object to paying for a service with no choice. Rant over!

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

Following on from a previous posting. It is correct as stated previously by someone on here that you can watch catch up tv without the need of a tv licence. HOWEVER if you watch it on a tv set it must be unable to receive live pictures because if it does you MUST have a tv licence. The licencing aurthorities wont accept that you are honest and promise not to tune in to any live broadcasts!

Not all that much point in adding to this discussion as it's been done more than a few times now, but you are not correct in this.

I know of several people who do just that and have had no problems at all.

The people who come out to enforce the license may not believe you. That is a different issue to the legality and it's perfectly legal to own a tv that can receive live broadcasts and just use it for tv catchup (as long as it's not live).

Originally Posted by telegramsam

Watch on a mobile phone? You need a tv licence because again you can watch live tv on them! Laptop/PC? Sorry still need a licence because.....yes you guessed you can watch live tv on there too! I know this because I had a conversasion with a guy from the licencing aurthority a couple of weeks ago and he said as much,and pointed me to the cans and can`ts on the tv licence itself.

Again the key here is the 'live' bit.

Originally Posted by telegramsam

My opinion is very clear,it is an unfair tv tax because if you want to watch tv you have to pay it

It may well be an unfair tax in your opinion but you don't HAVE to pay it. And what with the various catchup services and on demand ones the reasons to become less and less.

Originally Posted by telegramsam

and the BBC get all the money raised. The BBC should get off it`s fat lazy backside and work to raise funds to run their channels through advertising like other channels do instead of relying on hand outs like the parasite they are!
Before someone says it I`m not anti BBC,I think they make some decent programs,I just object to paying for a service with no choice. Rant over!

Again you DO have a choice, you don't HAVE to pay it. It is though not much of a choice but it is there.

I'd be happy if ALL bbc stuff became subscription only but I don't see it as practical myself.

[telegramsam]

I like to watch my football live on sky sports and Bt not many hours later on catch up (if it`s available) but to do so I HAVE TO PAY THE BLOODY BBC!
At the end of the day some people are quite happy to pay a tv tax to the BBC,I`m just not one of them.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

I like to watch my football live on sky sports and Bt not many hours later on catch up (if it`s available) but to do so I HAVE TO PAY THE BLOODY BBC!
At the end of the day some people are quite happy to pay a tv tax to the BBC,I`m just not one of them.

I didn't say I was happy to pay it. I notice you've also changed your goalposts to include your sport. Fair enough, but as I said you don't have to pay the BBC to watch tv. This is a fact, just an inconvenient one, Shouting and swearing won't change it.

Still, no point in arguing about it is there.

edit - in fairness I should point out I'm one of those who only pay half price so maybe that's biasing me - but personally I don't think so.

Paying the BBC for a no adverts service suits me just fine and that way I get more programmes unlike commercial rich channels where the average programmes are around 45 minutes if the ads
were removed.

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Paying the BBC for a no adverts service suits me just fine and that way I get more programmes unlike commercial rich channels where the average programmes are around 45 minutes if the ads
were removed.

And more repeats. I think I read somewhere that the BBC over this years festive period will show a record number of repeats. Some are welcome of course and I don`t object to them to be honest. As for BBC programs being longer due to no adverts,well for me many many programs on the BBC are simply `padded` out. One more thing, the constant trailers for programs coming up are just as annoying as adverts for me,more so as BBC don`t get paid to show them.
Another thought often occurs to me,why can`t the BBC tv channels become subscription channels paid for through your Virgin or Sky subscriptin? It could be a stand alone subsription or as part of a bundle? This would of course terrify the BBC I think as how many would bother to subscrbe? Perhaps someone cleverer than me could do a poll on here?

Originally Posted by telegramsam

At the end of the day some people are quite happy to pay a tv tax to the BBC,I`m just not one of them.

I've yet to meet anyone who is happy to be paying tax, on anything.

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw

I didn't say I was happy to pay it. I notice you've also changed your goalposts to include your sport. Fair enough, but as I said you don't have to pay the BBC to watch tv. This is a fact, just an inconvenient one, Shouting and swearing won't change it.

Still, no point in arguing about it is there.

edit - in fairness I should point out I'm one of those who only pay half price so maybe that's biasing me - but personally I don't think so.

First of all sorry for shouting,didn`t realise capital letters meant shouting. Secondly I haven`t moved the goalposts regarding watching football,I just never thought to mention it before as watching football is part of my normal viewing habit. Please do tell me how I can watch live football on any tv channel without having to pay for a tv licence?(the money going to the BBC,hence I`m paying the BBC to be able to watch it!).

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

First of all sorry for shouting,didn`t realise capital letters meant shouting. Secondly I haven`t moved the goalposts regarding watching football,I just never thought to mention it before as watching football is part of my normal viewing habit. Please do tell me how I can watch live football on any tv channel without having to pay for a tv licence?(the money going to the BBC,hence I`m paying the BBC to be able to watch it!).

No - you don't HAVE to pay the BBC to watch TV. If you choose to watch something, for example sport or other things live that's your choice. You don't HAVE to watch anything - you choose to. As I've also said it's not a good choice at all. But it's a fact. Just not one you - or a lot of people - like.

Now as I've said again it's not a good choice and personally i'd much prefer if all bbc stuff was subscription based. However I can't see it happening.

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw

No - you don't HAVE to pay the BBC to watch TV. If you choose to watch something, for example sport or other things live that's your choice. You don't HAVE to watch anything - you choose to. As I've also said it's not a good choice at all. But it's a fact. Just not one you - or a lot of people - like.

Now as I've said again it's not a good choice and personally i'd much prefer if all bbc stuff was subscription based. However I can't see it happening.

If I choose to watch live tv then yes I do have to pay the BBC tax! What is so difficult about this that you don`t understand? The only other way is to watch illegally i.e without buying a tv licence.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

If I choose to watch live tv then yes I do have to pay the BBC tax! What is so difficult about this that you don`t understand? The only other way is to watch illegally i.e without buying a tv licence.

I fully understand what you are saying - which is different to what you startd your argument with, and you have just answered your own point - you CHOOSE to watch live tv. You don't HAVE to. So that's your answer although I'm sure you don't agree with it but it doesn't change that you don't HAVE to watch tv or pay the fee Again it's not a good choice for sure.. BUT anyway you started your discussion with saying that if you have a device capable of receiving live tv (for example standard TV - laptop - mobile) you need a license (incorrect).

"HOWEVER if you watch it on a tv set it must be unable to receive live pictures because if it does you MUST have a tv licence." - from your post.

Thank you for assuming I don't understand. I won't return the stupid comment. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I don't understand you.

Anyway I have told you what I think which you clearly disagree with. That's fine, unless you have another specific question I think it's best to leave it there as we are getting nowhere.

[Gary L]

WHEN does this CHANGE come in?

TV lately is CONSTANT repeats. it's LIKE it's on a loop.

YOU can have a TV that is capable of RECEIVING live pictures and NOT have to pay the TAX. it would help IF you didn't have an AERIAL connected to the TV.

Originally Posted by telegramsam

And more repeats. I think I read somewhere that the BBC over this years festive period will show a record number of repeats. Some are welcome of course and I don`t object to them to be honest. As for BBC programs being longer due to no adverts,well for me many many programs on the BBC are simply `padded` out. One more thing, the constant trailers for programs coming up are just as annoying as adverts for me,more so as BBC don`t get paid to show them.
Another thought often occurs to me,why can`t the BBC tv channels become subscription channels paid for through your Virgin or Sky subscriptin? It could be a stand alone subsription or as part of a bundle? This would of course terrify the BBC I think as how many would bother to subscrbe? Perhaps someone cleverer than me could do a poll on here?

I have the full TV package from VM. There are repeats on every single channel all the time not just the BBC and not just at Christmas..At least those on the BBC aren't punctuated by 5 mins of ads at a time.