Virgin to pass on details of porn downloading customers

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Hah!

I have no idea why people would be wanting to download porn via any illegitimate method when there's more than enough free streaming sites online to bust nuts over or to get yourself and the significant other warmed up.

Usenet has become increasingly centralised as the demands of running it go ever higher and with the advent of DCMA takedowns is becoming less and less valuable. Ultra-high bandwidth binary Usenet is probably living on borrowed time and people really need to be aware that their EU hosted services will be in strife should the EU sign the TTIP with the USA.

Can't say I'll be sorry to see it go.

I agree it's on borrowed time. If you use them correctly, it's easy to find content that hasn't been taken down but it takes a fair bit of investment (Time and money) to do this.
It seems to be shifting towards streaming via torrents anyway, via the likes of popcorn time which has a built in VPN. Not entirely sure how they manage to run that all but I imagine they'll start charging at some point and in that instance you may as well just pay for netflix.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Quality... not many of those 'free' sites are equipped with decent 1080p or even 4K recording equipment

UHD porn just isn't nice. There is being able to see too much.

480p is just fine, slightly soft focus.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

I agree it's on borrowed time. If you use them correctly, it's easy to find content that hasn't been taken down but it takes a fair bit of investment (Time and money) to do this.
It seems to be shifting towards streaming via torrents anyway, via the likes of popcorn time which has a built in VPN. Not entirely sure how they manage to run that all but I imagine they'll start charging at some point and in that instance you may as well just pay for netflix.

VPNs are awesome. Saves the powers that be a ton of work having to monitor in many different places when they can just grab from endpoints.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

VPNs are awesome. Saves the powers that be a ton of work having to monitor in many different places when they can just grab from endpoints.

Grab what, though?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Grab what, though?

Raw data streams.

If they're clever they can even de-anonimise the VPN users.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

UHD porn just isn't nice. There is being able to see too much.

480p is just fine, slightly soft focus.

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VPNs are awesome. Saves the powers that be a ton of work having to monitor in many different places when they can just grab from endpoints.

Yup - people forget one of the aspects of traffic analysis is knowing which traffic needs to be analysed....

[Kushan]

Then make sure you use a decent provider? I doubt the copyright trolls are going to go to such extreme lengths. Anyone beyond that with the resources to do such interception isn't likely to be after your porn habits.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

UHD porn just isn't nice. There is being able to see too much.

480p is just fine, slightly soft focus.

Well 3D then, often looks fairly blurry and lower resolution than actually recorded just due to your eyes fuzzing up but you get the extra depth that makes you 'feel like you're really there'

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Then make sure you use a decent provider? I doubt the copyright trolls are going to go to such extreme lengths. Anyone beyond that with the resources to do such interception isn't likely to be after your porn habits.

Indeed, they're after Silk Road and the likes

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Then make sure you use a decent provider? I doubt the copyright trolls are going to go to such extreme lengths. Anyone beyond that with the resources to do such interception isn't likely to be after your porn habits.

Wasn't copyright trolls I was thinking of. If they were to start intercepting in that manner they'd be on their way to jail fairly rapidly.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Wasn't copyright trolls I was thinking of. If they were to start intercepting in that manner they'd be on their way to jail fairly rapidly.

I sure hope so =\

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Wasn't copyright trolls I was thinking of. If they were to start intercepting in that manner they'd be on their way to jail fairly rapidly.

You'd have thought after the NSA got caught unconstitutionally wiretapping they'd be on their way to jail too but nah, they get a free pass. And the copyright troll media companies abusing the legal system seemed to get a free pass too, as long as money as being passed to the right people.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Good luck to them. The IP address may identify the subscriber of the account, but it does not identify the person who downloaded anything.

Well they are still liable.

It up to you too make sure your equipment is secure.

If your not secure and somebody downloads illegal stuff you can go down for it.

[qasdfdsaq]

Ah yes, the good old backwards and archaic British legal system that holds pub owners, bus companies, and coffee shops liable for what every passer by on the street does on their wifi.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well they are still liable.

It up to you too make sure your equipment is secure.

If your not secure and somebody downloads illegal stuff you can go down for it.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Ah yes, the good old backwards and archaic British legal system that holds pub owners, bus companies, and coffee shops liable for what every passer by on the street does on their wifi.

Has that actually been proven yet, in an actual court of law in the UK?

[qasdfdsaq]

You don't need to 'prove' what's clearly stated in law...

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

You don't need to 'prove' what's clearly stated in law...

What's "clearly" stated? Nowhere in the law does it state that the bill payer is liable for the actions of someone using their connection. An IP address is not a person. It's illegal to pirate stuff, sure, but that does not mean that an IP address caught in a torrent is proof of the bill payer being the pirate. To my knowledge, this has never been the case and no court has convicted the bill payer purely on an IP address alone.

That doesn't stop these companies sending threatening letters hoping for out of court settlements, but again to my knowledge, nobody that has ever challenged them has ever been found guilty in court. Tell them to go away and they will, because the legal ground is extremely shaky.