TV licence non payment could be made a civil offence

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by richard s

Dooh.. as if I did not know that... the point is what does it cost to keep THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PAY THE FINE... in jail.

The BBC don't care about that as the money to keep them in jail doesn't come out of their pocket, it came out of the tax payers pockets instead. The system was heavily in their favour before.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

you sure ??



presumably the same as anyone else who goes to jail for non payment of any other fine .Having said that it looks now that non payment will be decriminalised so it won't matter .It looks like the BBC will have to rely on peoples honesty to pay for the service they receive.

Just like the honest way there idiots from the TVL try to work you over. See goggle for links to there actions.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by martyh

presumably the same as anyone else who goes to jail for non payment of any other fine .Having said that it looks now that non payment will be decriminalised so it won't matter .It looks like the BBC will have to rely on peoples honesty to pay for the service they receive.

Or they could stop providing / forcing that service on to those who can't, won't and don't pay.

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Or they could stop providing / forcing that service on to those who can't, won't and don't pay.

they don't

[heero_yuy]

If this come to pass I wonder what threats TVL will be able to use?


Comfy chair?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

they don't

They do, if i only want to ever watch Sky sports on my TV or monitor i still have to pay the TV tax. A tax that is then given to the BBC for doing sweet FA as they have nothing to do with the production of sport on SKY. How is that not forced ????

[heero_yuy]

Be aware that the latest wheeze by TVL is to get their officers salesmen to dress in high viz jackets to encourage you to open the door.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by martyh

they don't

How don't they?

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

If this come to pass I wonder what threats TVL will be able to use?

That's the thing with these guys, if you let them in and they see you have a tv then they assume guilt of watching live tv without a licence and a judge will believe them. For someone like me who doesn't watch live tv at all now, only catchup or downloads, no tv licence is needed but it's more hassle than it's worth to let them in my place if they knock. They would do everything they could to fine me. Entering dialogue with them by letter is also pointless and a waste of time in my opinion.

They can't see in my windows and can't even get through the gate unless I buzz them in so I don't have to worry them seeing a movie playing from the media centre of bluray player. I have had them ring the buzzer and say they are here to inspect the property without saying who are they are and with it being a newly build place I was waiting for someone to have a look for the one year warranty on stuff anyway. Glad I pushed him for who he worked for, still wouldn't tell me at first and even when he told me he worked for Capita (which I know collect for them) he didn't mention bbc or tv licencing. So they are as crafty as can be, hardly come across as legitimate. Just like their threatening letters about investigations being opened. They must fool people in to paying who don't actually need one, which is criminal!

Originally Posted by Qtx

That's the thing with these guys, if you let them in and they see you have a tv then they assume guilt of watching live tv without a licence and a judge will believe them. For someone like me who doesn't watch live tv at all now, only catchup or downloads, no tv licence is needed but it's more hassle than it's worth to let them in my place if they knock. They would do everything they could to fine me. Entering dialogue with them by letter is also pointless and a waste of time in my opinion.

They can't see in my windows and can't even get through the gate unless I buzz them in so I don't have to worry them seeing a movie playing from the media centre of bluray player. I have had them ring the buzzer and say they are here to inspect the property without saying who are they are and with it being a newly build place I was waiting for someone to have a look for the one year warranty on stuff anyway. Glad I pushed him for who he worked for, still wouldn't tell me at first and even when he told me he worked for Capita (which I know collect for them) he didn't mention bbc or tv licencing. So they are as crafty as can be, hardly come across as legitimate. Just like their threatening letters about investigations being opened. They must fool people in to paying who don't actually need one, which is criminal!

From their(capita) point of view most people who say they don't need one actually do need one so it is perfectly understandable for them to be suspicious and assume guilt .......plus it is their job ,as it is the BBC's legal duty to collect the fees

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by martyh

From their(capita) point of view most people who say they don't need one actually do need one so it is perfectly understandable for them to be suspicious and assume guilt .......plus it is their job ,as it is the BBC's legal duty to collect the fees

The point is in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. They shouldn't be treating people like criminals nor turning them in to criminals. Having a criminal record for not paying a private company is beyond ridiculous and i'm glad it's changing.

If it's their job to treat me like a criminal then there is something wrong with their job. Their time of getting their friends in politics to pull strings for them is coming to an end though.

Assuming guilt here is the same us as assuming all BBC employee's are paedophiles. It's understandable considering some of their employers have been caught bang to rights....

Originally Posted by Qtx

The point is in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. They shouldn't be treating people like criminals nor turning them in to criminals. Having a criminal record for not paying a private company is beyond ridiculous and i'm glad it's changing.

If it's their job to treat me like a criminal then there is something wrong with their job. Their time of getting their friends in politics to pull strings for them is coming to an end though.

Assuming guilt here is the same us as assuming all BBC employee's are paedophiles. It's understandable considering some of their employers have been caught bang to rights....

knocking on doors and asking for proof that a person does not need a licence is hardly treating people as criminals .Anyway this has been done to death and the overwhelming conclusion is that some people will shout and scream harassment and victimisation whilst getting a freebie

[Jimmy-J]

I've just heard that Sky are going to unscramble all their channels so that everyone will have access to them... The licence fee will be increased to £568.48 in order to pay for it.

Hang on, I don't watch Sky, I don't want it. Hard luck, pay up or suffer the monthly threats and random visits from the enforcement officers!

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

I've just heard that Sky are going to unscramble all their channels so that everyone will have access to them... The licence fee will be increased to £568.48 in order to pay for it.

Hang on, I don't watch Sky, I don't want it. Hard luck, pay up or suffer the monthly threats and random visits from the enforcement officers!

You don't really have any idea what a public service broadcaster is do you

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by martyh

overwhelming conclusion is that some people will shout and scream harassment and victimisation whilst getting a freebie

The overwhelming conclusion is that the BBC through capita are harassing people that don't need a licence, on a monthly basis.