'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

Originally Posted by Qtx

No, what a ridiculous thing to say.



No, just stating reality, which you appear to have left behind on the way to cloud cuckoo land.



Rhetorical questions while avoiding the actual arguments again. You kill any chance of a proper debate in these threads with the way you reply with stupid questions.

he does not reply to me which is cool

Originally Posted by Qtx

Tower Hamlets would have been like that once, less than 10% of the community being muslim. Look at it now. Yes, it is a no go area for white people, especially at night.

There are quite a few places that you wouldn't go at night in London and they're less to do with the racial demographics of the area and more to do with the economic status of the area. One of the poorest areas in a City also happens to be one of the least safe. It's not exactly new.

That said I do walk around Hackney, Tower Hamlets and so on. Admittedly in the day but it's fine. You notice it's an area with a high population of minorities but I don't feel intimidated because I am white. You wouldn't walk around a lot of places at night including Wood Green, areas of South London, Enfield etc.

Also crime in London has been declining despite the increase in the Muslim population.

Anyone can look at the stats and see that every year the percentages of muslims in an area are increasing. The amount of areas with muslims in is increasing too. It's easy to extrapolate the data and make the assumption that at some point in the near future muslims will be the dominant ones in the country and thus able to do whatever they want with schools or anything else in the local areas.

It's easy to extrapolate the data and make the assumption that Muslims will take over but also incorrect. What evidence is there that it won't plateau and the trend will simply increase year-on-year?

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Damien

There are quite a few places that you wouldn't go at night in London and they're less to do with the racial demographics of the area and more to do with the economic status of the area. One of the poorest areas in a City also happens to be one of the least safe. It's not exactly new.

True, but in those areas EVERYONE is at risk. In Tower hamlets only white or non-muslim looking people will be the ones who need to be careful. It's racism but with the perpetrators nearly all being Muslim. So obviously not racism according to how some here seem to think,

Originally Posted by Damien

That said I do walk around Hackney, Tower Hamlets and so on. Admittedly in the day but it's fine. You notice it's an area with a high population of minorities but I don't feel intimidated because I am white.
You wouldn't walk around a lot of places at night including Wood Green, areas of South London, Enfield etc.

It's easy to assume everyone can walk about like we can, with an air of confidence and not worrying too much about things but it's not the same for everyone. I have lived in Brixton, Croydon, Thornton heath (briefly) and have watched how bad things have got there over the years. Huge mixture of immigrants and trouble and there are plenty of areas I wouldn't let my mum go but i'm happy to go. That being said, I was always witnessing muslims fighting tamils and other such racial type tensions.

Originally Posted by Damien

Also crime in London has been declining despite the increase in the Muslim population.

Yet most people think it hasn't gone down like the often massaged stats say, based on what they see with their own eyes. Like myself, many think that most don't bother to report crime as they police are next to useless most times. Some crime has gone up too, so saying crime in london has gone down is a bit vague really.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's easy to extrapolate the data and make the assumption that Muslims will take over but also incorrect. What evidence is there that it won't plateau and the trend will simply increase year-on-year?

What evidence is there that say the current trend will stop? The current trends there is evidence for so the onus is for you to show that it will stop

Originally Posted by Qtx

What evidence is there that say the current trend will stop? The current trends there is evidence for so the onus is for you to show that it will stop

History tells us that migration stops after a while as social factors change the reason for the migration ,we saw this with the Irish and the potato famine ,we saw it post wars(both) as immigration was actively encouraged because we our workforce took a serious hit ,in all cases throughout history migration of any sort hits a peak and then slows or stops

Originally Posted by Qtx

True, but in those areas EVERYONE is at risk. In Tower hamlets only white or non-muslim looking people will be the ones who need to be careful. It's racism but with the perpetrators nearly all being Muslim. So obviously not racism according to how some here seem to think,

Sorry but is there any evidence that non-White/Muslim people are not the victims of crime in Tower Hamlets? :rem: This seems like a rather extreme assertion.

Yet most people think it hasn't gone down like the often massaged stats say, based on what they see with their own eyes. Like myself, many think that most don't bother to report crime as they police are next to useless most times. Some crime has gone up too, so saying crime in london has gone down is a bit vague really.

But it's less vague than claiming crime is increasing because of people's perceptions of crime. That's an awful way to measure it. The statistics mirror the average downward trend in crime that has been occurring in the Western world as a whole. Crime in London has been falling and has been doing so despite this increase in immigration.

What evidence is there that say the current trend will stop? The current trends there is evidence for so the onus is for you to show that it will stop

If it didn't we would be 'overrun' by Irish, people form India and so on. Every immigrant group tends to find they adapt as the generations go on. Economics tend to win out and subsequent generations of immigrants (i.e children of immigrants) tend to integrate better than their parents did. They want jobs, they want a comfortable lifestyle and so on.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

. Some areas have a higher than average Islamic population (I used to live in one) but that's a far leap from those places being 'taken over'.

If they are the majority, they have by definition. " taken over"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

No, what a ridiculous thing to say.

What's ridiculous, what I said or the generalisation you posted?

Originally Posted by Qtx

No, just stating reality, which you appear to have left behind on the way to cloud cuckoo land.

How ironic when your next line was...

Originally Posted by Qtx

Rhetorical questions while avoiding the actual arguments again. You kill any chance of a proper debate in these threads with the way you reply with stupid questions.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

If they are the majority, they have by my definition. " taken over"

Fixed that for you.

[nomadking]

Doesn't have to be a majority to take over. Only helping out your own kind, keeping as much money within the "group", take over the local Labour party, imposing your rules on others, forcing others out. It all adds up.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Fixed that for you.

Ha, and your one that's always bleating about people putting words in " your" mouth.

The mind boggles?

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Doesn't have to be a majority to take over. Only helping out your own kind, keeping as much money within the "group", take over the local Labour party, imposing your rules on others, forcing others out. It all adds up.

That sounds exactly like the actions of just about any identifiable "group".

Look at British ex pats who move to Spain, but hook up a sky dish to get Eastenders...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by rhyds

That sounds exactly like the actions of just about any identifiable "group".

Look at British ex pats who move to Spain, but hook up a sky dish to get Eastenders...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by rhyds

That sounds exactly like the actions of just about any identifiable "group".

Look at British ex pats who move to Spain, but hook up a sky dish to get Eastenders...

Yes, out come the usual arguments about expats in Marbella.

Well, I don't live in Spain, if fact most people that live in the UK don't live Spain, so it's a pointless statement.

We're talking about the UK.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, out come the usual arguments about expats in Marbella.

Well, I don't live in Spain, if fact most people that live in the UK don't live Spain, so it's a pointless statement.

We're talking about the UK.

The point is that any migrant population will change the area they live in to make it more like home ,expecting Muslims to be any different is ridiculous

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by nomadking

To put it simply, most of your criticisms of Muslims could be levelled at any other social group, including British ex pats on the costas. They spend their money in "English" shops, read "English" papers and are more likely than not to go spend their money with the "English" mechanics/plumbers/electricians than the "local" ones.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, out come the usual arguments about expats in Marbella.

Well, I don't live in Spain, if fact most people that live in the UK don't live Spain, so it's a pointless statement.

We're talking about the UK.

Your missing the point entirely. The fact is that most migrant communities stick to their own customs, including the English abroad. Singling out Muslims for doing it seems hypocritical to me.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

The point is that any migrant population will change the area they live in to make it more like home ,expecting Muslims to be any different is ridiculous

Don't expect them to be different, do expect our government and local government not let it be to the detriment of the town and other groups living there.

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Originally Posted by rhyds

Your missing the point entirely. The fact is that most migrant communities stick to their own customs, including the English abroad. Singling out Muslims for doing it seems hypocritical to me.

I'm not missing the point.

I don't live in Spain, so I'm not being hypocritical.

Also I'm not "singling" out Muslims, this thread happens to be about Muslims, therefore we're talking about Muslims.