'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[Osem]

I see there's 'outrage' about the appointment of Peter Clarke to investigate this matter. Apparently some folks are objecting to his previous association with terrorism investigations and reckon the 'community' will get the wrong message. Tough I reckon. Who are these people who speak for 'the community'? Even the Chief Constable is concerned about the appointment fearing it will offend 'the community' and result in 'unwarranted conclusions'. If he's got the right skills to do the job who the hell are they to object on the basis of a previous post?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-27031941

[deadite66]

Turning a blind eye to FGM and Muslim peado gangs, i don't trust the police to handle this, an anti terrorist investigator is a better choice imo.

[Osem]

Well it's clear that the good ole folks running Brum haven't had their eye on the ball. Maybe they've been spending too much time worrying about matters PC and trying not to offend the 'community'.

Originally Posted by Osem

I see there's 'outrage' about the appointment of Peter Clarke to investigate this matter. Apparently some folks are objecting to his previous association with terrorism investigations and reckon the 'community' will get the wrong message. Tough I reckon. Who are these people who speak for 'the community'? Even the Chief Constable is concerned about the appointment fearing it will offend 'the community' and result in 'unwarranted conclusions'. If he's got the right skills to do the job who the hell are they to object on the basis of a previous post?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-27031941

It would be the association with terrorism linked with Muslims that causes them concern. As far as I am aware none of the allegations refer to extremism in terms of terrorism but rather than of a hard-line version of Islam where women are segregated and so on. They're just worried about the terrorist conflation even though that may not be what was intended in his appointment.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

It would be the association with terrorism linked with Muslims that causes them concern. As far as I am aware none of the allegations refer to extremism in terms of terrorism but rather than of a hard-line version of Islam where women are segregated and so on. They're just worried about the terrorist conflation even though that may not be what was intended in his appointment.

I know and my answer is 'tough' as I stated above! He's not in an anti terrorist role now, has been appointed and by all accounts he's very good at his job. If the 'community' don't like it well hard luck but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who this 'community' is, where they've made their feelings on this topic known en masse and why they should have the right to dictate who the govt. does or doesn't appoint. I reckon it's the usual PC brigade and self appointed 'community leaders' who're whining and maybe if they'd done their jobs better this enquiry wouldn't have been needed. Appeasing so called 'community leaders' is what allowed the likes of Abu Hamza to openly preach hatred and for the authorities to turn a blind eye to numerous cases of abuse.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by deadite66

Turning a blind eye to FGM and Muslim peado gangs, i don't trust the police to handle this, an anti terrorist investigator is a better choice imo.

Since when do we have to confirm with a community under investigation if they are happy with the investigator. Next they will want someone from the group under investigation to do the investigation

Originally Posted by Osem

I know and my answer is 'tough' as I stated above! He's not in an anti terrorist role now, has been appointed and by all accounts he's very good at his job.

I know. I am answering why they feel concerned. They feel there is an inference
to appointing a anti-terror investigator. Unintentional or not.

If the 'community' don't like it well hard luck but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who this 'community' is, where they've made their feelings on this topic known en masse and why they should have the right to dictate who the govt. does or doesn't appoint.

Well I don't think they're suggesting they have a right to make the decision, they do have a right to question it and that's what they're doing.

I reckon it's the usual PC brigade and self appointed 'community leaders' who're whining and maybe if they'd done their jobs better this enquiry wouldn't have been needed.

Well it's the chief constable of the police force. Also we don't know if they've done their jobs correctly or not as the investigation into the allegations are still ongoing. Maybe this is why he is expressing concerns as well? After all the calvary is being sent in while the police and the council are still working on verifying the inital claims and the unsigned plan. It appears the investigation has taking on a high degree of speed to the extent that it's skipped the part where we find out if anything needs further investigation.


Moving on my one personal feeling is that the letter seems rather dubious but the amount of claims in it's aftermath lend credibility to the idea that something unacceptable is happening. However we do not know this for sure and, if it is true, we do not know if it's part of a coordinated plan, a single incident, or a series of incidents.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Since when do we have to confirm with a community under investigation if they are happy with the investigator. Next they will want someone from the group under investigation to do the investigation

You don't but you're free to express your displeasure with an investigation or a public appointment to the degree to which you're permitted to by law.

[Russ]

This is going to be a PR nightmare however you look at it. Whereas it's probable that any intended Muslim 'take over' would be more to do with strict Islamic practises than terrorism, the media (and clearly a lot of the public) won't see a difference between the two. Any Muslim attitudes beyond moderate are often automatically regarded as terrorist-based.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I know. I am answering why they feel concerned. They feel there is an inference
to appointing a anti-terror investigator. Unintentional or not.


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Yes we know that but 'their' feelings shouldn't really enter into it. We still don't even know who 'they' are - the usual PC brigade and the self appointed who claim to speak for 'the community'. So this guy was once an anti-terrorist officer - so what! I don't see hordes of angry people protesting in the streets - I see the usual suspects trying to influence how an important investigation is carried out.

[Gary L]

They would be protesting in the streets if they thought that being offended would make the British leave them alone and let them get on with it.
but maybe that's the thing. we're not going to back off anymore just because someone says you're offending us. now turn around so we can get on with it.

send another anti terrorist investigator in to work alongside the other one. so one can see what the other one is being distracted from

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They've sent in an anti terrorist person to investigate what the Muslims are up to.

Yeah as a general rule a teacher reportedly doing what basically came down to 'Death to the West' propaganda speeches in school tends to provoke such reactions.

[Russ]

...whereas 'death to Gove' speeches seem to be almost encouraged

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

...whereas 'death to Gove' speeches seem to be almost encouraged

Try living with a secondary teacher. Political death to Gove is a quite popular view, physical death not yet although another parliamentary term of more of the same may change that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed all you are after this is worm food or grit for an icy path

Originally Posted by Gary L

Alas, it was all for nothing

I don't know Gary, there's some solace to be taken knowing that you helped someone in a wheelchair gain some traction or stopped someone slipping over, less solace in providing dinner for a hungry worm though admittedly.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't know Gary, there's some solace to be taken knowing that you helped someone in a wheelchair gain some traction or stopped someone slipping over, less solace in providing dinner for a hungry worm though admittedly.

Wasn't a total waste of time and effort then