Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Osem]

Is Jimi the best 'ambassador' the 'Yes' people can come up with around these parts?

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Originally Posted by Derek

It would have every right to APPLY to join the EU. And as a new member it would have to accept the Euro (Which would mean BIG cuts in spending to get within deficit limits), Schengen and numerous other impositions that wold leave Scotland nowhere near independent as I would think of it.

So really you want to go from a union that's lasted hundreds of years, where Scotland has arguably a disproportionate voice, to one that's a decade or so old and would have Scotland as a VERY junior member?

Course he would 'cos he's really thought this all through...

Salmond's delusions of grandeur seem to have extended to (and depend upon) an Independent Scotland being able to dictate what it wants from the rest of the world in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Jimi

Scotland has every right to rejoin the EU,this will happen once we break free,sadly if we are still stuck with the rest of the UK then we'll need tae accept it.

You'd also have to agree to join the Euro. So that'd be a substantial proportion of laws made elsewhere and having no control of currency.

The point of this referendum is... ?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The point of this referendum is... ?

Beats me. The SNP have always been very Pro-EU and it mystifies me why they are so desperate to go from one union to another.

Originally Posted by Derek

Beats me. The SNP have always been very Pro-EU and it mystifies me why they are so desperate to go from one union to another.

Because the elephant in the room is the Seps' visceral hatred of England and the English. Eck has worked very, very hard to bury that inconvenient fact to the point where there are now plenty of useful (English) idiots in Scotland that cheer on the idea of "independence", but that simmering, festering hatred is, beneath it all, what this is all about.

The Seps know, and loathe, the fact that the Union with the English gives Scotland an economic stability it would lack if it were truly out in the world on its own so they seek to replace that union with one of a different kind. Union with the Brussels machine, as a very junior partner with little influence, would ensure "independent" Scotland would be anything but. But Brussels isn't London, and that's all that matters.

Anyone But England, as they say. How sad that there are people who want to take a taunt off the football terraces and actually apply it to their entire national future.

[techguyone]

And that, boys & girls is probably the most honest thing said in the entire thread.

[nashville]

I definitely do not want Independence and the largest majority don,t want it either, Salmon only wants to go down in the history books if he wins. Too many things could go wrong and we could not go it alone. We need to stick together,

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Because the elephant in the room is the Seps' visceral hatred of England and the English. Eck has worked very, very hard to bury that inconvenient fact to the point where there are now plenty of useful (English) idiots in Scotland that cheer on the idea of "independence", but that simmering, festering hatred is, beneath it all, what this is all about.

The Seps know, and loathe, the fact that the Union with the English gives Scotland an economic stability it would lack if it were truly out in the world on its own so they seek to replace that union with one of a different kind. Union with the Brussels machine, as a very junior partner with little influence, would ensure "independent" Scotland would be anything but. But Brussels isn't London, and that's all that matters.

Anyone But England, as they say. How sad that there are people who want to take a taunt off the football terraces and actually apply it to their entire national future.

Nail hit on head methinks. What else could account for such irrational, illogical and destructive behaviour?

[Mr Angry]

Interesting (if not controversial).

"Dumping a share of the UK's debt would be worth twice as much to an independent Scotland as North Sea oil, academics have said.

It would improve the nation's fiscal balance from an otherwise poor outlook, the Glasgow University report said.

Scottish ministers said it demonstrated Scotland's strong position in the event of a referendum "Yes" vote".

"However, any benefit arising to an independent Scotland from starting with zero historic debt would be heavily influenced by whether this was achieved via amicable negotiations or through Scotland's refusal to accept what the remainder of the UK consider to be an appropriate share."

Devil's always in the detail, isn't it ...

[Mr Angry]

Heaven forbid in the event that they arrive at that juncture that they do it through "amicable negotiations" then.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Heaven forbid in the event that they arrive at that juncture that they do it through "amicable negotiations" then.

Not sure under what circumstance the UK will amicably decide to allow Scotland for forgo all the debt.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Heaven forbid in the event that they arrive at that juncture that they do it through "amicable negotiations" then.

tbf, the SNP's view of 'amicable' seems to be 'what they want'.....

[Mr Angry]

These things remain to be seen - based on the eventual outcome of the referendum.

Mmmmm - wait for the outcome of the vote before negotiating terms.

So, if "Yes" win, and if Rest of the UK don't agree with the SNP requirements raised during the negotiations, no matter how outrageous they are, Alex et al can invoke "will of the people", even though "the people" didn't know the specifics.

Sounds like a blank cheque (politically) for the SNP if they win.....