'Muslim Plot' To Take Over Schools Investigated

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Wanting a secular education system doesn't mean you want to stifle peoples right it just means you don't think it's the state's job to get involved with the teaching of religion.

The problem as I see it is many people seem to believe that 'teaching about religion' is just an alternative method of evangelism.

[nomadking]

The teaching of Islam outside of a school environment isn't that great either, so it won't solve anything.

Originally Posted by Damien

Wanting a secular education system doesn't mean you want to stifle peoples right it just means you don't think it's the state's job to get involved with the teaching of religion.

What he said..

Especially when religion interferes in the teaching of science.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I know




Atheists love to try and restrict everybody else to their way of thinking .Maggie wants a secular education system completely forgetting that education started with religion ,she also forgets that it is the parents who decide how their children are educated and as an 'educator' she should really know better than to try and stifle peoples rights with their children.There is room for both types of education ,secular and faith based ,no need at all for one party to try to usurp the other

I don't hate religion.I have a RE O-level. I respect religion,I respect the Christian Church and Christians.I have never been one for Christian or religion bashing.
Music,art,literature,medicine all owe so much to the Christian church.

However when religion is dragged into how we teach science and dogma takes over in education then I will say that it's time for religion to leave the school grounds and head for the church grounds and into the homes of those who wish to raise their children in whatever religion of their choice.I'm not saying parents shouldn't bring their children up in their own faith.Just that religion isn't the state's business. Education is too important to be held hostage by any one faith.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Education is too important to be held hostage by any one faith.

And religion is too important in the world to be swept under the carpet of atheism.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

What he said..

Especially when religion interferes in the teaching of science.

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I don't hate religion.I have a RE O-level. I respect religion,I respect the Christian Church and Christians.I have never been one for Christian or religion bashing.
Music,art,literature,medicine all owe so much to the Christian church.

However when religion is dragged into how we teach science and dogma takes over in education then I will say that it's time for religion to leave the school grounds and head for the church grounds and into the homes of those who wish to raise their children in whatever religion of their choice.I'm not saying parents shouldn't bring their children up in their own faith.Just that religion isn't the state's business. Education is too important to be held hostage by any one faith.

Are you really saying that the teaching of science is the main problem.

Outside of religion there are different sets of beliefs eg climate change, vegetarianism. Are you saying that those should be banned as well?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

And religion is too important in the world

Makes you wonder if we could function without religion.
we base our lives around religion. we make our decisions around religion.
yet we may die to find out that we're staying in the ground afterall.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Makes you wonder if we could function without religion.

Control what people think and believe? Good luck with that one.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Makes you wonder if we could function without religion.
we base our lives around religion. we make our decisions around religion.
yet we may die to find out that we're staying in the ground afterall.

Indeed all you are after this is worm food or grit for an icy path

Originally Posted by nomadking

Are you really saying that the teaching of science is the main problem.

Outside of religion there are different sets of beliefs eg climate change, vegetarianism. Are you saying that those should be banned as well?

Climate chance is a science as is nutrition..of course they should be taught as science.

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Originally Posted by Russ

And religion is too important in the world to be swept under the carpet of atheism.

You know better Russ.I have no problem with people following the belief of their choice.I just want a level playing field when it comes to education.No one religion should be taught in state schools.

Now if you are talking multi-faith schools I'm fine with that..but that's not what the topic of this thread is about..

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed all you are after this is worm food or grit for an icy path

Alas, it was all for nothing

yet had we not have based our lives and decisions in hope. then we may have reaped lifes present rewards. (Dave and bedroom tax excluded)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

No one religion should be taught in state schools.

Do you think schools that teach about one religion-only are common?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

No one religion should be taught in state schools.

If you think that's what happens in a C of E or RC school, you are very much mistaken. RE classes in those schools take place just as everywhere else. The difference is, the foundation of the ethos of such a school is, explicitly, the way of life set out in the New Testament and upheld by their denomination of the Christian Church.

Again, you seem to believe that absence of religious belief is a neutral position, and therefore preferable. It is not.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Chris

If you think that's what happens in a C of E or RC school, you are very much mistaken. RE classes in those schools take place just as everywhere else. The difference is, the foundation of the ethos of such a school is, explicitly, the way of life set out in the New Testament and upheld by their denomination of the Christian Church.

Again, you seem to believe that absence of religious belief is a neutral position, and therefore preferable. It is not.

There does seem to be a very strong misconception that Religious Education in faith-based schools is just an opportunity for extra evangelism for that particular belief.

[richard s]

No one religion should be taught in any school... Better still no religion at all in my own personal view, but each to their own.

[Ignitionnet]

As this has become a more generic religion thread this is an interesting piece of work.

I don't have a major problem with state faith schools however I expect them to have fully inclusive admissions criteria.

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Originally Posted by richard s

No one religion should be taught in any school... Better still no religion at all in my own personal view, but each to their own.

Religion has shaped a lot of social attitudes and has framed a lot of the events of our past. A balanced religious education is essential in schools to understand our history and sociology properly.