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Old 09-03-2014, 13:52   #16
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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Vu Trong Khanh ‏@TrongKhanhVu
#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

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https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu/sta...383873/photo/1
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Old 09-03-2014, 15:52   #17
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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Kinda scary that it just dissapeared, without any emergency/may day call.
Not really, just means the pilots were focused on sorting out whatever issue they had.

Whatever happened, happened fast.

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Old 09-03-2014, 17:20   #18
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

It's the emergency exit window over the wing

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This is one from a B737

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Old 09-03-2014, 19:02   #19
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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5. Maintenance not carried out correctly, (some aircraft are not maintained to the best standards, and several are banned from European airspace).
Considering it lost a wing in a collision on the tarmac with another plane a few months back I'd say this was most likely option.

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Hmm, drops off the radar with no mayday.
There was no mayday when the plane crashed of Brazil no so long ago, that was caused by engine stall iirc
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

Wing tip...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26503141
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Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology. One of the plane's wingtips was clipped in an incident while taxiing in 2012 but it was repaired and certified as safe.
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Old 09-03-2014, 19:12   #21
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

I wonder if the black box will be found? They usually are.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

Hope so ... then a explanation will more than likely be found...
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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There was no mayday when the plane crashed of Brazil no so long ago, that was caused by engine stall iirc
Correct, the engine did stall due to pilot error.

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I wonder if the black box will be found? They usually are.
They are, they have transmitters that usually keep signalling for around a month.

The Air France crash of Brazil however, must have been around 2 years or so before they found it.

They are duty bound to find it, I'm amazed at the lengths they go to find the cause of air crashes. I think the sea is not to deep there so I think they'll find it. Could take a while though.
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Old 09-03-2014, 21:45   #24
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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There was no mayday when the plane crashed of Brazil no so long ago, that was caused by engine stall iirc
Several issues occurued and it was stated that the pilots were too reliant on computer procedures than manual flying.
Since the Air France crash reccommendations were to increase the manual aspects of flight and how to react and fly without computer systems.



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I wonder if the black box will be found? They usually are.

They should hopefully find it as the sea around the search area is a lot more shallow compared to the deep seas surrounding the Air France crash.


What I am wondering is what caused this.

I doubt the aircraft will be found in one piece.
The Air France AF447 flight was intact until the very end and continued sending ACARS data until it ditched in the ocean.
All communication seized on the Malaysian flight inidcating possible intense explosion of the aircraft or the plane falling to pieces.
If large amounts of small parts are found over large distances this could indicate that theory.

There is information about the plane having been contacted by ATC and had no communication back. Another plane also tried to communicate so it is possible that the plane was still flying after communication was lost.
This could explain the military radars picking up the plane turning and heading back on itself.
Any diversion or change of route would normally be announced to ATC.
But obviously it was not able to do this.
Who knows how much more flight the plane made in that direction?

The plane had enough fuel so we can rule out running out of fuel.

I currently dont think the passengers with fake passports have anything to do with the crash.
Although it is a security risk and airport and airline staff should get a telling off and retraining on security, I don't think they played a big part in this.
Several other flights that have crashed have had passengers with passport issues. That is related to immegration I think.

As for a terrorist threat.... I'm not sure.
I don't think passengers could have caused so much damage from the cabin for a plane to completly dissitegrate in to pieces.
I dont know what the cargo was in the hold or if possibly anything was placed on a previous flight and hidden away in the hold.

As for a hijacking.... I think it is possible for someone to gain access to the cockpit.
I've been on several flights where the captains have come out and although you need one cabin crew member to keep guard at the door, it is a possibility.
I do not think it is the case though. If a passenger had accessed the cockpit, any normal pilot would have put the plane into a quick dive to cause the hijacker to fall over.
Maybe we should keep the door locked throuout flight now. Have a hatch for meals and a toilet within cockpit.


I believe the plane had reached cruising altitude and was flying autopilot.
If the plane suffered a problem in flight it should have still been transmitting data to the ground.
Even if something happened and the pilots were busy there should still be data being sent.

I think the plane exploded or some major structural damage occured that ripped the plane apart.

I doubt the engines had any problems as some news agencies were comparing it to the BA crash at Heathrow as even if both engines had failed, that doesnt stop communications or the fact they could have glided for a while.

My thoughtd go out to all the families and people onboard the flight.
It is good to see that in an emergency all countries nearby are coming together to help.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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I doubt the engines had any problems as some news agencies were comparing it to the BA crash at Heathrow as even if both engines had failed, that doesnt stop communications or the fact they could have glided for a while.
The engines failed on the BA flight due to ice in the fuel.

You're right if the engines had failed at 35,000 feet they could have glided for many miles and possibly landed.

In the event of a complete engine failure, planes have a wind turbine that can is deployed to keep essential electrical and hydraulic systems workings, so they could still have used the radio.

You're also right that a large debris field suggests a mid-air explosion, whilst a compact debris field suggests impact.

It's all speculation, but my money would still be on some kind of pilot error.

Modern aircraft, especially on a carrier such as this, fail mechanically very rarely.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

There is no way this plane has landed. They would have found it by now. It must be in the sea somewhere.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

The longer people are left without facts the longer their imagination will build stories.

The chance of the plane having landed somewhere remote is minimal.
Granted there was enough fuel to keep on flying but to avoid being seen or picked up by radar and conduct a successful manual landing on a non equipped remote landing strip/land would be more a movie plot.

Plus the fact that most people would have mobile phones and some signal near land.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

The oil slick and debris were NOT from the missing plane.

http://news.sky.com/story/1223246/mi...emains-mystery

Stranger and stranger. I'd expects some form of catastrophic mid air breakup to leave a wide enough debris field that something would have been spotted by now and anything else to have given enough time for some form of mayday to be broadcast.
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

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There is no way this plane has landed. They would have found it by now. It must be in the sea somewhere.
God bless everyone on the flight and those left waiting ...
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Re: Malaysian Airline plane disappears

The latest conspiracy is that family members are getting ringing mobile phones when they've tried to call passengers on the plane.

Is this normal for phones to do this?
I know that when I call people and their phone is off it either says the mobile you are calling is off or goes straight to voice mail.

Now this seems odd as normally all phones would be off as required by most airlines during flight.
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