Danish zoo shoots giraffe

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

I would speculate that a sterile giraffe is of little use if the zoo has a breeding programme. It's just a mouth to feed. Turning the mouth into feed was probably quite logical and in all likelihood what would have happened in the wild anyway.

I think some of you need to wind the hysteria in a bit. It is an animal which has led a charmed life compared to any of its wild ancestors and has suffered a fate no worse than any other giraffe that ever lived.

What you say may be true Chris, but it all just seems so pointless.

The zoo are unrepentant and have issued a statement saying that the campaign to save the giraffe (Marius) has gone too far.

What do parents think about allowing/inviting children to watch and record the killing and dismembering?

Some have argued that it is educational, in a similar way to dissecting frogs etc at school. Others say they would be horrified to let their children see such a thing.

[tweetiepooh]

I thought the issue was that the giraffe was in-bred so under EU rules had to be put down. Likely it could have been safely rehoused but likely some eurocrat would have caused a stink at some point.

Richard, in all honesty I think that says a lot more about pre-packaged, sanitised, Disneyfied Western civilisation than it does about the zoo. I think it is also worth pointing out that the staff at zoos spend every working day with these animals and get to know them and their personalities. I find it hard to believe they are being callous or insensitive. I think they have been as true to 'the wild' as possible, given the limitations of the zoo environment.

Lions are not cuddly creatures that escape their cages to go on jolly adventures in Madagascar. They are apex predators that catch other large mammals and tear them to shreds for dinner. I see no harm in showing our children that, so long as the zoo clearly communicates what is going on to parents who then have the choice whether to expose their kids to reality or not.

[tweetiepooh]

I grew up in South Africa and had many trips to the Kruger Park so I find all zoos to be a bit sanitised. Zoos give names to animals and run adoption programs. They may try to educate that Simba would like nothing better for dinner than Kiki but that's not what most visitors take away. I'm not suggesting the eurocrat would be a zoo worker who are as pointed out committed to their charges, or at least a keeper. But there are always those who want the rules to be kept to the letter.

And the problem gets exasperated with really wild animals. Yes some need protection but some that are protected become a menace and you can't do anything about them.

[weenie]

Originally Posted by Chris

I would speculate that a sterile giraffe is of little use if the zoo has a breeding programme. It's just a mouth to feed. Turning the mouth into feed was probably quite logical and in all likelihood what would have happened in the wild anyway.

I think some of you need to wind the hysteria in a bit. It is an animal which has led a charmed life compared to any of its wild ancestors and has suffered a fate no worse than any other giraffe that ever lived.

I understand what you are saying Chris, and I get it that in the wild he would have lived a different live, but he was in the zoo run by caring/animal lovers he was in the care of human beings "you know humans with common sense and feelings that were meant to love and care for him as it was their job". What did not sit right with me about this killing is was not needed as homes had been found.
What I found also disgusting was then they used the animal as a sideshow to promote their cruelty in my view by killing it in public view then feeding him to the Lions truly shocking especially as children witnessed this cruelty ... and if people are truly buying this gene pull theory then why let him live for 2 years why not put him down at birth by injection but NO they waited till he was 2 to shoot him because if they put him down by injection his meat was classed as useless therefore could not be fed to lions. I am truly and honestly disgusted by this jumped up little man who is on tv defending his decision and stating to the world he does not know what all the fuss is about. I know something I would make less fuss if he was shot then fed to lions, very cruel little man who should look up animal welfare and care .... he really should lose his job

Originally Posted by Chris

I would speculate that a sterile giraffe is of little use if the zoo has a breeding programme. It's just a mouth to feed. Turning the mouth into feed was probably quite logical and in all likelihood what would have happened in the wild anyway.

I think some of you need to wind the hysteria in a bit. It is an animal which has led a charmed life compared to any of its wild ancestors and has suffered a fate no worse than any other giraffe that ever lived.

I don't think I'm being hysterical at all Chris.I've every right to boycott this zoo..IF I ever go to Denmark.I understood all their points of view but I think that they were wrong. Also who the hell allowed the inbreeding anyway?Maybe they need a job change.

[weenie]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I don't think I'm being hysterical at all Chris.I've every right to boycott this zoo..IF I ever go to Denmark.I understood all their points of view but I think that they were wrong. Also who the hell allowed the inbreeding anyway?Maybe they need a job change.

Once again a brilliant comeback from Maggy J ...

[richard s]

The human species has a lot to answer for.. Stuff the EU Rules. Shame on you million and billionaires who could buy land and set up their own wildlife preservation parks.

Originally Posted by weenie

I understand what you are saying Chris, and I get it that in the wild he would have lived a different live, but he was in the zoo run by caring/animal lovers he was in the care of human beings "you know humans with common sense and feelings that were meant to love and care for him as it was their job". What did not sit right with me about this killing is was not needed as homes had been found.
What I found also disgusting was then they used the animal as a sideshow to promote their cruelty in my view by killing it in public view then feeding him to the Lions truly shocking especially as children witnessed this cruelty ... and if people are truly buying this gene pull theory then why let him live for 2 years why not put him down at birth by injection but NO they waited till he was 2 to shoot him because if they put him down by injection his meat was classed as useless therefore could not be fed to lions. I am truly and honestly disgusted by this jumped up little man who is on tv defending his decision and stating to the world he does not know what all the fuss is about. I know something I would make less fuss if he was shot then fed to lions, very cruel little man who should look up animal welfare and care .... he really should lose his job

I really don't see the problem with giraffe meat being fed to lions. It's what lions eat in the wild, amongst other things. If the giraffe had to die, then a bolt to the head followed by a meal for Simba was a perfectly good way to do it. Lethal injection would have been a waste of a couple of tonnes of quality meat.

The problem you have here is that you think of the giraffe as a 'he'. The giraffe was a male 'it', an animal, not a human. Killing it before it died of old age is not an act of cruelty. Killing it with a bolt to the head is not a cruel method of killing an animal either, it is how much of the red meat on your dinner table meets its end.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by weenie

The reasons given as to why they did this are truly shocking just beggars believe TBH nasty nasty people who made this decision ... really sad
Death is part of life but cruelty isn't ...

I don't think it was cruel, it's not like he was alive when chucked to the lions, unnecessary maybe but not cruel.

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Originally Posted by v0id

The Danes aren't the only ones that kill healthy zoo animals
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-26108506

Or just healthy animals full stop

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-healthy.html

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Originally Posted by Chris

I would speculate that a sterile giraffe is of little use if the zoo has a breeding programme. It's just a mouth to feed. Turning the mouth into feed was probably quite logical and in all likelihood what would have happened in the wild anyway.

I think some of you need to wind the hysteria in a bit. It is an animal which has led a charmed life compared to any of its wild ancestors and has suffered a fate no worse than any other giraffe that ever lived.

A better fate, at least he was dead when eaten

[weenie]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think it was cruel, it's not like he was alive when chucked to the lions, unnecessary maybe but not cruel.

cruel he was healthy, it would have been better to re home him rather than kill him unnecessary...
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Or just healthy animals full stop

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-healthy.html

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A better fate, at least he was dead when eaten

still a unnecessary death ... I still think the whole thing was cruel ...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by weenie

still a unnecessary death ... I still think the whole thing was cruel ...

The reasons seem logical enough to me

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/wo...service=mobile

What is unnecessary imo is the animal rights terrorists making death threats

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...marius-giraffe

[weenie]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The reasons seem logical enough to me

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/wo...service=mobile

What is unnecessary imo is the animal rights terrorists making death threats

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...marius-giraffe

What is unnecessary imo is the animal rights terrorists making death threats
Well the people making these threats are as brain dead as the person who made the decision on killing a healthy beautiful creature ... imo

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I know I am for all rights that belong to this world and that is live and let live so on this subject I have decided to be off this topic ... no matter what people think I know deep in my heart that this was wrong to kill a defenceless creature, your views are your own and only you can live with that..I know I can...live and let live...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

Richard, in all honesty I think that says a lot more about pre-packaged, sanitised, Disneyfied Western civilisation than it does about the zoo. I think it is also worth pointing out that the staff at zoos spend every working day with these animals and get to know them and their personalities. I find it hard to believe they are being callous or insensitive. I think they have been as true to 'the wild' as possible, given the limitations of the zoo environment.

Lions are not cuddly creatures that escape their cages to go on jolly adventures in Madagascar. They are apex predators that catch other large mammals and tear them to shreds for dinner. I see no harm in showing our children that, so long as the zoo clearly communicates what is going on to parents who then have the choice whether to expose their kids to reality or not.

The children were 3, 4 and 5 according to some news reports. I agree that children should be taught that the world is a cruel place more often than not (I learnt that from a VERY early age), but these ages seem too young to me to draw them into the harsh world of reality so soon.

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Originally Posted by Chris

I really don't see the problem with giraffe meat being fed to lions. It's what lions eat in the wild, amongst other things. If the giraffe had to die, then a bolt to the head followed by a meal for Simba was a perfectly good way to do it. Lethal injection would have been a waste of a couple of tonnes of quality meat.

The problem you have here is that you think of the giraffe as a 'he'. The giraffe was a male 'it', an animal, not a human. Killing it before it died of old age is not an act of cruelty. Killing it with a bolt to the head is not a cruel method of killing an animal either, it is how much of the red meat on your dinner table meets its end.

I don't regard animals as objects. They are living things with a soul, feelings, memories etc.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think it was cruel, it's not like he was alive when chucked to the lions, unnecessary maybe but not cruel.

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Or just healthy animals full stop

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-healthy.html

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A better fate, at least he was dead when eaten

Being cruel is not exclusive to living things.

How do you feel about killing humans that aren't much use to society?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by weenie

What is unnecessary imo is the animal rights terrorists making death threats
Well the people making these threats are as brain dead as the person who made the decision on killing a healthy beautiful creature ... imo

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I know I am for all rights that belong to this world and that is live and let live so on this subject I have decided to be off this topic ... no matter what people think I know deep in my heart that this was wrong to kill a defenceless creature, your views are your own and only you can live with that..I know I can...live and let live...

Just because you keep typing in bold doesn't mean you're the arbiter of what's of or on topic, I do agree though the people making the threats are brain dead. I'm a little shocked they.managed to stop themselves from eating the crayons long enough to finish the threats.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Being cruel is not exclusive to living things.

How do you feel about killing humans that aren't much use to society?

See the thing with cadavers and I realise I'm generalising, is that on the whole they ain't to fussed about people being cruel to them, in fact they're just glad of the attention. You'll be telling us next zombies have feelings and what would you prefer, his body rotting or being burnt, at least he wasn't wasted.

How do I feel, well it depends what they've done really, I'm not going to lose any sleep if Mr child rapist murderer gets fed to some lions, my only concern would be that the lions might get belly ache from eating such rubbish.