Yet again - farcical words from Cameron - Page 5

dilli-theclaw · 20-12-2013, 09:57

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Originally Posted by peanut

I don't think it warrants a thread on its own, but Tories are well out for me as long as IDS is part of their party. As this is the main thing that affects me, the lies from this slimeball is just bang out of order. He makes Camoron look good and that's something.

Oh his latest stunt is turning up for a welfare review with armed guards / police with machine guns (pointed at the disabled and not down to the ground I must say).

Are you talking about this?

http://dpac.uk.net/2013/12/machine-g...sabled-people/

20-12-2013, 09:58

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Originally Posted by peanut

Okay you know different. Fair enough.

You've jumped on a story relating to IDS being present at a select committee meeting questioning Mike Penning on PIP progress ,and as with all spectators in the public galleries including people in wheelchairs they will be seached and there will be armed police present ,a rather pathetic band of people have twisted things to make it look as though IDS has appeared surrounded by armed guards pointing weapons at the people in wheelchairs

a rather biased link to the story

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/new...bled-claimants

Osem · 20-12-2013, 10:13

Are disabled people any more intimidated by police with guns than anyone else then? I'd be astonished if any police officer deliberately pointed any gun at anyone in such circumstances. Anyway so many folks seem to be claiming this happened I'm sure we'll get pictorial or (if cameras weren't allowed) other credible evidence soon to show the circumstances under which guns were pointed at disabled people. This story has a strong whiff of exaggeration about it - just another of the contrived scare/shock/horror stories about the so called nasty party I reckon...

dilli-theclaw · 20-12-2013, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Osem

Are disabled people any more intimidated by police with guns than anyone else then?

I don't know about that - I suspect I'd be scared crapless in or out of my wheel chair.

Osem · 20-12-2013, 10:25

Exactly. This is clearly an attempt to demonise the govt. by people who ought to know better. I'm certain that the vast majority of disabled people, although they may well feel very hard done by, don't really believe IDS had armed police deliberately aim weapons at them. It's pathetic nonsense. The sort of guff that was concocted about that supposed 'wheelchair bound' protester who was 'attacked' by the police during the student protests.

Gary L · 20-12-2013, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Osem

Exactly. This is clearly an attempt to demonise the govt. by people who ought to know better. I'm certain that the vast majority of disabled people, although they may well feel very hard done by, don't really believe IDS had armed police deliberately aim weapons at them. It's pathetic nonsense. The sort of guff that was concocted about that supposed 'wheelchair bound' protester who was 'attacked' by the police during the student protests.

It's just a pity that you weren't there.
but as you weren't. we can just listen to your opinion of whether the guns were being pointed at anyone.

Luckily for Iain that he didn't order them all to be shot.

Derek · 20-12-2013, 10:50

If you are going to resort to hysteria at least try and get something right.

There is no chance the Police were armed with machine guns. They would have been armed with exactly the same weapons Police have been armed with at Westminster for the last 10 years or so.

Osem · 20-12-2013, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Derek

If you are going to resort to hysteria at least try and get something right.

There is no chance the Police were armed with machine guns. They would have been armed with exactly the same weapons Police have been armed with at Westminster for the last 10 years or so.

What? You mean there isn't an elite unit formed by the nasty party and tasked with intimidating helpless disabled people by aiming machine guns at them??

peanut · 20-12-2013, 11:26

Well I suppose it did happen, taken in or out of context is just a matter of opinion. Just as Arthur reads whatever he does or hears doesn't make it untrue, just as some say it is just a biased or personal opinion. But sometimes being against doesn't make it false either.

What exactly are you supposed to believe these days?

I certainly don't believe a lot of people on this forum as they can't and won't see the wood for the trees when it comes to their beloved party.

dilli-theclaw · 20-12-2013, 11:28

I think it is VERY prudent not to trust ANY political party.

Derek · 20-12-2013, 11:32

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Originally Posted by peanut

What exactly are you supposed to believe these days?

The problem with a lot of the anti-cuts stories is they try to sensationalize some things which has the effect, for me anyway, of reducing their trustworthiness. If they are going to scream about armed guards with machine guns threatening disabled protestors there better be some hard evidence of it or else I'm going to assume they are just embellishing the truth to get a cheap shock headline.

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I think it is VERY prudent not to trust ANY political party.

Very true.

Osem · 20-12-2013, 11:33

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I think it is VERY prudent not to trust ANY political party.

Insert the word 'blindly' in there before the word 'trust' and I'd agree.

It seems quite a few of us in here still haven't decided who we're going to vote for even though we're quite certain who we WON'T be...

20-12-2013, 11:33

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Originally Posted by peanut

Well I suppose it did happen, taken in or out of context is just a matter of opinion. Just as Arthur reads whatever he does or hears doesn't make it untrue, just as some say it is just a biased or personal opinion. But sometimes being against doesn't make it false either.

What exactly are you supposed to believe these days?

I certainly don't believe a lot of people on this forum as they can't and won't see the wood for the trees when it comes to their beloved party.

There has to be an element of credibility though and frankly stories like the police pointing guns at people in wheelchairs to keep them under control defies all credibility and doesn't help disabled people get their point across at all

Osem · 20-12-2013, 11:34

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Originally Posted by martyh

There has to be an element of credibility though and frankly stories like the police pointing guns at people in wheelchairs to keep them under control defies all credibility and doesn't help disabled people get their point across at all

peanut · 20-12-2013, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Derek

The problem with a lot of the anti-cuts stories is they try to sensationalize some things which has the effect, for me anyway, of reducing their trustworthiness. If they are going to scream about armed guards with machine guns threatening disabled protestors there better be some hard evidence of it or else I'm going to assume they are just embellishing the truth to get a cheap shock headline.

Now that I can agree with. I based it on multiple sources but when it comes to credibility regarding IDS then nothing surprises me.