Christian B&B owners lose appeal....

[Russ]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

In comment by Stonewall:



Quite.

Nothing like those moral crusaders Stonewall telling other people how to live.

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

A true Christian that follows the Bible will never accept homosexuality.

Someone who accidentally or deliberately misquotes the bible will never accept homosexuality. A true Christian who follows the bible will have nothing against it.

Originally Posted by Russ

Nothing like those moral crusaders Stonewall telling other people how to live.

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Someone who accidentally or deliberately misquotes the bible will never accept homosexuality. A true Christian who follows the bible will have nothing against it.

lol really?? funny mind you yours is quite a new faith using newer edited versions is it not ? how is Leviticus 18.22 misquoted?

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King James "Thou shall not lie with a man as a woman that is an abomination"

new international version "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable"

New World translation "“‘You must not lie down with a male in the same way that you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable act"

so how can a true Christian who lives their life by bible teachings console themselves with this? The can come up with excuses as to why they accept it they can say we have moved with the times but at the end of the day they are breaking Gods law by doing so

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

lol really?? funny mind you yours is quite a new faith using newer edited versions is it not ?

No. You know nothing of my faith.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

how is Leviticus 18.22 misquoted?

King James "Thou shall not lie with a man as a woman that is an abomination"

new international version "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable"

New World translation "“‘You must not lie down with a male in the same way that you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable act"

Read it again. That is homosexual sex, not homosexuality itself.

Originally Posted by Russ

No. You know nothing of my faith.



Read it again. That is homosexual sex, not homosexuality itself.

lol I read it fine Russ. I thought you were a born again Russ. If so then I do know a little if not then I guess I am wrong.Before I chose my faith I studied plenty and chose the one that I believed followed the word of God most closely afteral that is what it is all about

Hands up here anyone who believes a Christian homosexual couple does not have sex??? oh and only the new international version mentions sex

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Hands up here anyone who believes a Christian homosexual couple does not have sex???

I'll do the hard work for you then.

The reason the bible speaks against homosexual sex is because it cannot produce children. In biblical times sex was a much more precious and respected act between married couples for the purposes of children.

This is why the bible is equally against adultery. Prostitution is equally frowned upon. If you read scripture it makes no real distinction between gay sex and straight sex outside of marriage.

This is why there is NOTHING mentioned against monogamous homosexual relationships, it's just some people choose to read things in to scripture so it fits an agenda.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

oh and only the new international version mentions sex

All of them relate to homosexual sex, not homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Russ

I'll do the hard work for you then.

The reason the bible speaks against homosexual sex is because it cannot produce children. In biblical times sex was a much more precious and respected act between married couples for the purposes of children.

This is why the bible is equally against adultery. Prostitution is equally frowned upon. If you read scripture it makes no real distinction between gay sex and straight sex outside of marriage.

This is why there is NOTHING mentioned against monogamous homosexual relationships, it's just some people choose to read things in to scripture so it fits an agenda.



All of them relate to homosexual sex, not homosexuality.

lol Morality is still the same today as it was back then the fact immorality is accepted today is not a plus point to todays society

I put it to you that the hard work is in fact staying moral in a world full of immorality and the easy work is to make allowances for said immorality at the expense of principles. I failed to live a moral life so I no longer participate in the faith I found closest to Gods word. I will not make allowances and say its ok to sin because when my day of judgement comes I do not want to be seen as a hypocrite

[Russ]

I've not said it is, I'm just debunking the common misconception that the bible is against gays.

Originally Posted by Russ

I've not said it is, I'm just debunking the common misconception that the bible is against gays.

it is not a misconception it is allowances made to move with society

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

it is not a misconception it is allowances made to move with society

It is a misconception. Read it in context with the rest of the passages those lines appear in.

In biblical times to "lay" or to "have relations" with someone meant sex. It's the same in any version or translation you wish to offer.

Originally Posted by Russ

It is a misconception. Read it in context with the rest of the passages those lines appear in.

In biblical times to "lay" or to "have relations" with someone meant sex. It's the same in any version or translation you wish to offer.

so again I ask you how many homosexual couples abstain from sex if they do it does not apply ( from your point of view) if they do not and have intercourse they it does apply

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

so again I ask you how many homosexual couples abstain from sex if they do it does not apply ( from your point of view) if they do not and have intercourse they it does apply

OK that doesn't make much sense but I'll try to pick the bones out of it.

Not all homosexuals have gay sex. Just because someone is gay does not mean they have sex. Being straight does not guarantee you some action on a friday night.

Looking in to it with an open mind, much the same would apply to straight couples (married or not) who do the same as gays.

Originally Posted by Russ

OK that doesn't make much sense but I'll try to pick the bones out of it.

Not all homosexuals have gay sex. Just because someone is gay does not mean they have sex.

Looking in to it with an open mind, much the same would apply to straight couples (married or not) who do the same as gays.

as I said morality has not changed what was moral then is moral now as is immorality.

I sin and because I sin I do not taint the places of worship of God most sin and continue to consider themselves righteous

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

as I said morality has not changed what was moral then is moral now as is immorality.

Morality has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

In biblical terms those that commit adultery (sex outside of marriage whether straight or in a gay context) are committing a sin. That is what Leviticus is talking about.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I sin and because I sin I do not taint the places of worship of God most sin and continue to consider themselves righteous

OK....

Originally Posted by Russ

Morality has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

In biblical terms those that commit adultery (sex outside of marriage whether straight or in a gay context) are committing a sin. That is what Leviticus is talking about.



OK....

it has everything to do with it

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

as I said morality has not changed what was moral then is moral now as is immorality.

I sin and because I sin I do not taint the places of worship of God most sin and continue to consider themselves righteous

God loves a sinner that's sorry, apparently...