General : STM always enforced?

[General Maximus]

yup, and from my point of view atm VM is a winner. I have never have a problem with my connection and always get full speed and I get to use my own router (even if I had a shub).

[Chrysalis]

yes with BT its no issue at all to use own modem same with sky.

The difference with sky tho is its a bit of a pain to use your own router due to their authentication mechanism. On other FTTC isp's its easy to use own router.

I have acknowledged many times that in a area with no visible congestion VM is probably a good service (which I seen in the small time periods my area was ok after upgrades), I am the sort of person who is somewhat fussy about jitter (due to using ssh commandline a lot) and I also notice peering issues as a lot of my internet use it to servers outside of the uk.

So to me VM wasnt good enough, but everyone has their own requirements of their connection and different areas perform differently.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Kushan

I can definitely understand why you'd take the 48/8 over what may end up as 84/2, if upload speeds are important to you. Though when the 120meg upgrade finally hits you, that then turns into 100/4, half the upload but twice the download. It's easy to see why people go for Virgin, particularly if upload speeds aren't an issue for them.

Yes, indeed, mass market companies cater towards the mass market consumer.

I on the other hand, if I'm paying by the hour for Amazon compute capacity, and the limiting factor on my compute throughput is the upload speed on my home (controller) machine, then having twice as much upload means getting twice as much bang for my buck out of my compute server(s).

Obviously, not your average joe user scenario...

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

although you are looking at it from an 84/2 stm'd point of view, I can look at it purely as 120/12 or 48/8 and I would rather have the former.

Yes I'm also looking at it from the point of view that my area will likely be the last in the country to get 120/12, seeing as it was near enough last for 100/5 and 50/5, 100/10 never came.

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

sweet, something I'll remember for the future because that was one thing which was definitely putting me off. I don't like isp supplied routers whether they been shubs or otherwise

BT FTTC has never forced you to use their supplied modem *or* router. Though if you wanted support on either device you'd be expected to put it back.

No need to ever buy your own modem though, at least not yet. They've always supplied a standalone, dedicated modem up until now.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

So to me VM wasnt good enough, but everyone has their own requirements of their connection and different areas perform differently.

To me STM just means my QoS is a bitch to configure correctly and I cannot be bothered. Again, I'll prefer a consistent and reliable slower speed over a rapidly fluctuating and undependable "burstable" 100Mb connection.

Remember during my 20 months with BT Infinity my speed only ever dropped below half of maximum on 3 days out of 600.

On VM my speed was less than half what it should have been 7 months out of each and every year.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Yes, indeed, mass market companies cater towards the mass market consumer.

I on the other hand, if I'm paying by the hour for Amazon compute capacity, and the limiting factor on my compute throughput is the upload speed on my home (controller) machine, then having twice as much upload means getting twice as much bang for my buck out of my compute server(s).

Obviously, not your average joe user scenario...

Indeed. What shocks me is that people seem to miss this crucial point - that everyone's needs and requirements are different. We all sit here and bitch about how **** Virgin can be, be it their customer service or congestion or whatever, but any time I look at a Sky or BT orientated forum, I see just as many disgruntled people. I'm sure there's a TelfordFTTC on every one.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Indeed. What shocks me is that people seem to miss this crucial point - that everyone's needs and requirements are different. We all sit here and bitch about how **** Virgin can be, be it their customer service or congestion or whatever, but any time I look at a Sky or BT orientated forum, I see just as many disgruntled people. I'm sure there's a TelfordFTTC on every one.

[telfordcable]

Telford FTTC isn't on everyone. You're got the fact wrong. My mother, my brothers, myself, my mates who lives in Telford area in different areas still got no FTTC yet. But...there are large of peoples using cable in Telford, I would say 90% of Telford got virgin media cable while the rest of 10% still on BT ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ (where cable isn't available)

[Jumping]

Originally Posted by telfordcable

Telford FTTC isn't on everyone. You're got the fact wrong. My mother, my brothers, myself, my mates who lives in Telford area in different areas still got no FTTC yet. But...there are large of peoples using cable in Telford, I would say 90% of Telford got virgin media cable while the rest of 10% still on BT ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ (where cable isn't available)

Talk about totally missing the point or maybe just dont care to see it :P

[Mick Fisher]

When sky acquired O2/Be they said they would make it easy for the new o2/Be subs and everyone else to be able to use there own router as soon as they could retrain their agents to cope.

Since then their has been a deafening silence on the subject which has been further compounded by the release of the sr-102 hub (combined Xdslmodem/router). Maybe it was just a load of hot air to placate new subs from Be/O2?

Anyway it's not a huge deal to sniff your username/password and load a suitable firmware.

What is even easier, if double nat is not an issue for you, is to put your router in the sky sr-101 hubs DMZ.

With the present sr-102's firmware this seems to be the only way to use your own modem with it unless you replace it with an OR standalone modem off ebay.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Remember during my 20 months with BT Infinity my speed only ever dropped below half of maximum on 3 days out of 600.

Who are you with now, Qas?