The other side of vigilantism

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't think anyone is against it in principle, it's just in practise it's uncontrolled and unrestricted mob justice by poorly-trained, bloody-minded self-appointed 'experts'.

In general it is thugs who want to dish out the vigilante punishment and in general thugs are not the brightest of people. Maybe an over generalisation and of course will be lots of exceptions but will fit a majority of the cases.

It is a grey area which can only be measured on a case by case basis.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Unfortunately it is. Couldn't believe it myself.

Did you ask/push for answers as to why that happened and if anyone would be held accountable, taken out of a job that cares for the public. Pee'ing off on holiday is beyond belief.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

that guy deserved a pasting but the paster would be the one ended up inside.

That is the reason why my sister called the police and asked me not to touch him. If I had known beforehand that he was going to get away scot free, I would have taken that risk.

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Originally Posted by thenry

Did you ask/push for answers as to why that happened and if anyone would be held accountable, taken out of a job that cares for the public. Pee'ing off on holiday is beyond belief.

A policewoman travelled up to the court in London with my sister although she wasn't one of the arresting officers, not sure if it was moral support or protection (or both). She said she would look in to what went wrong but heard no more from her.My sister made some complaints to the police station, was told someone would get back to her and she heard no more again. She didn't chase it any more as she just felt the police were totally useless after her dealings with them.

[thenry]

The IPCC? Your local MP? If the Police aren't showing any interest then theres got to be a reason either way.

[richard s]

So he was murdered... have the culprits been caught yet.

[Osem]

IMHO vigilantism starts with people who believe they're right and inevitably results in the goalposts of guilt and punishment being moved when it suits and tragedies like this. Justice should never be in the hands of people who aren't capable of delivering it.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by thenry

Did you ask/push for answers as to why that happened and if anyone would be held accountable, taken out of a job that cares for the public. Pee'ing off on holiday is beyond belief.

Occasionally Police officers are allowed to go on holiday you know.

What's likely to have happened is the reporting officer, who I assume is the one that didn't turn up, will have included in the case the dates he/she was unavailable. The prosecuter will have received the file, ignored the part with unavailabiluty and scheduled a court date regardless. They might even have scheduled a date and never bothered to cite the witness regardless of leave periods.

The RO will then be off on holiday unaware they are due in court and when the case is called it get binned due to lack of essential witnesses (it's rarer now to get a postponement than a few years back)

That's what happens in Scotland anyway, England should be pretty much the same.

Of course the RO could have just not bothered in which case they'll probably be answering some very uncomfortable questions from professional standards right now.

Anyway in this case it's tragic but the Police are caught in the middle. They have an apparently credible complaint about a male taking pictures of children and have to follow it up. After it was found the pictures were innocent all the proclamations of his innocence wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to some who had him as a target the minute the camera came out.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

He was taking pictures of children he said it was to protect his property

Obviously the mob had little evidence to go on and should of course have made sure the claims had grounds or not . Tragic

You make it sound like the mob where ok to attack the man as long the claims where correct .The mob should do nothing at all, ever ,your pal Stinson Hunter has found that out the hard way ,he now admits that he never thought about the repercussions

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

You make it sound like the mob where ok to attack the man as long the claims where correct .The mob should do nothing at all, ever ,your pal Stinson Hunter has found that out the hard way ,he now admits that he never thought about the repercussions

Why doesn't that surprise me?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Osem

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Same here. And people still persist in defending him.

Originally Posted by Osem

Why doesn't that surprise me?

indeed ,shame it took someone outed by a *rival hunter gang* to hang himself

* there seems to be some sort of competition or rivalry between the various gangs now with groups threatening to reveal the identities of leaders ,i also think they are competing to see who can out the most peodos which is extremely dangerous

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...entity-6142934

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

indeed ,shame it took someone outed by a *rival hunter gang* to hang himself

* there seems to be some sort of competition or rivalry between the various gangs now with groups threatening to reveal the identities of leaders ,i also think they are competing to see who can out the most peodos which is extremely dangerous

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...entity-6142934

lol you couldn't make this up.

Here's another one...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aedophile.html

'I jumped on his head myself!'

Pregnant woman is jailed for organising gang beating of innocent man who was wrongly named as a paedophile on vigilante website.

Originally Posted by martyh

You make it sound like the mob where ok to attack the man as long the claims where correct .The mob should do nothing at all, ever ,your pal Stinson Hunter has found that out the hard way ,he now admits that he never thought about the repercussions

Originally Posted by Osem

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Originally Posted by Russ

Same here. And people still persist in defending him.

this was all to do with the guy who topped himself which was incidentally not a Stinson Hunter perp.

I will continue to defend him

The old bill need to be seen to be doing something. QTX pointed out a guy who got off because of either an old bill or cps mix up. Is it any wonder people feel the need to take the law into their own hands?

I know for one if anyone ever messed with my daughter as a child or now as she is grown up and they got off I would be more than happy to serve time and deal with it myself

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Here's another one...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aedophile.html

that was a fraudulent website deliberately accusing innocent people and demanding money for their names to be removed

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Here's another one...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aedophile.html

They're as bad as the people they claim to be protecting society from.

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Originally Posted by martyh

indeed ,shame it took someone outed by a *rival hunter gang* to hang himself

* there seems to be some sort of competition or rivalry between the various gangs now with groups threatening to reveal the identities of leaders ,i also think they are competing to see who can out the most peodos which is extremely dangerous

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...entity-6142934

and there was I thinking this was all about groups of decent, fair minded people acting in the common good to bring wrongdoers to justice...