General STM always enforced? - Page 17

Kushan · 24-10-2013, 21:31

If I had to guess, I'd say the fact that 120Mbit going to almost exactly 100Mbit is partly where that 16% figure came from.

telfordcable · 24-10-2013, 21:49

Great news! 100 Meg is always will be but it a big blow to upload thought. Hopefully they going to get rid of traffic management soon after xmas.

24-10-2013, 22:10

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Originally Posted by neilt0

TI rebooted my router and I resumed the download. This time, it's coming down at 12,000KB/sec. Nice.

Same here! Everytime I boot the SH I go from 70mbps to full speed even if STM has only been on 5 mins.

Edit and again! 8GB down STM came back on after about 2 mins to 70mbps reboot and getting full speed again LOL

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Originally Posted by telfordcable

Great news! 100 Meg is always will be but it a big blow to upload thought. Hopefully they going to get rid of traffic management soon after xmas.

Maybe it's not actually on right if I can reboot and lose it.

neilt0 · 24-10-2013, 22:14

Yeah, I'm back to being STM'd again. I think the Virgin article said it'd be rolled out within a couple of weeks.

Qtx · 24-10-2013, 22:24

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Originally Posted by neilt0

ETA: I just started a download at 21:30, the download was very much throttled at about 4,500KB/sec. I rebooted my router and I resumed the download. This time, it's coming down at 12,000KB/sec. Nice.

Does your IP address change each time you reboot? Wondering if the leases have been set up properly on the DHCP servers and if the STM is done by IP.

broadbandking · 24-10-2013, 22:28

Well lets just hope this means VM will remove STM but I am not going to get to happy as VM will do something else to ruin this like introduce usage caps lol.

telfordcable · 24-10-2013, 22:54

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

Well lets just hope this means VM will remove STM but I am not going to get to happy as VM will do something else to ruin this like introduce usage caps lol.

They might do but if they say 500GB per month. That's fine. But, if it was 100GB per month, no way!

neilt0 · 24-10-2013, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Does your IP address change each time you reboot? Wondering if the leases have been set up properly on the DHCP servers and if the STM is done by IP.

Dunno. I'll let someone else try that. And there's no way they can introduce caps, as that would not be unlimited at all.

telfordcable · 24-10-2013, 23:12

ASA would slap VM in their face if they brought in caps!

qasdfdsaq · 25-10-2013, 02:00

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Originally Posted by Kushan

If I had to guess, I'd say the fact that 120Mbit going to almost exactly 100Mbit is partly where that 16% figure came from.

I'm curious exactly what rate will be applied though. As you know the 120Mbit service is actually rate limited at 133Mbit pre-STM

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Does your IP address change each time you reboot? Wondering if the leases have been set up properly on the DHCP servers and if the STM is done by IP.

Nobody's actually clarified whether it's the STM equipment or the shaping equipment which is supposedly being moved from the edge network to the core but if it is the STM kit then it would have to be IP based, since (well, MPLS aside) that's all the core network runs on. Core equipment will have no direct access to data about subscriber identity or MAC.

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Originally Posted by neilt0

Dunno. I'll let someone else try that. And there's no way they can introduce caps, as that would not be unlimited at all.

Hah, let's not start that again...

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Originally Posted by telfordcable

ASA would slap VM in their face if they brought in caps!

ASAP already slap VM in the face on an almost weekly basis

25-10-2013, 07:02

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Originally Posted by neilt0

Dunno. I'll let someone else try that. And there's no way they can introduce caps, as that would not be unlimited at all.

When I did it I checked and my IP didn't change. But it came back on about about 5 mins after even with no traffic.

Will see what it's like when it actually kicks in.

Kushan · 25-10-2013, 09:20

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I'm curious exactly what rate will be applied though. As you know the 120Mbit service is actually rate limited at 133Mbit pre-STM

Indeed, I was wondering this myself. I'd guess it would be exactly 100.8Mbps or whatever the figure was, rather than any overprovisioning. That's what it seems to be with the current STM.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

ASAP already slap VM in the face on an almost weekly basis

In fairness, they have it in for BT as well. Virgin is probably worse, but BT aren't much better (And I think Talktalk is prone to ASA complaints as well).

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Originally Posted by broadbandking

Well lets just hope this means VM will remove STM but I am not going to get to happy as VM will do something else to ruin this like introduce usage caps lol.

Usage caps would be commercial suicide, even at something like 500GB a month. Plus I don't think they actually help with congestion much.

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Originally Posted by telfordcable

Great news! 100 Meg is always will be but it a big blow to upload thought. Hopefully they going to get rid of traffic management soon after xmas.

How has upload taken a blow? Have they reduced the upload thresholds or something? (I don't remember the old figures).

Kabaal · 25-10-2013, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Kushan

How has upload taken a blow? Have they reduced the upload thresholds or something? (I don't remember the old figures).

Recently the upload reduction was -50% whether peak weekday or weekend times, now its -65%, i know it has been -75% at some point in the past but -50 to -65% is a recent change. That really is a blow considering upload isn't very fast on virgin in the first place.

Funny that they've changed the download STM to only -16% after customer feedback when the majority that i've read here and on the VM forum didn't mind the download STM too much as it was still fast, but they did mind the upload reduction.

Kushan · 25-10-2013, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Kabaal

Recently the upload reduction was -50% whether peak weekday or weekend times, now its -65%, i know it has been -75% at some point in the past but -50 to -65% is a recent change. That really is a blow considering upload isn't very fast on virgin in the first place.

Funny that they've changed the download STM to only -16% after customer feedback when the majority that i've read here and on the VM forum didn't mind the download STM too much as it was still fast, but they did mind the upload reduction.

Are you definitely sure about that? I remember it being greater than 50%.
In fact, here's an article from last June: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...icy-again.html

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The changes we’ve been trialling for the last few weeks are focused on allowing you do more with some applications that need a significant amount of upstream bandwidth. So we’ve dialled back the reductions to upload speeds from 60% and 75% on our one and two hour thresholds to 50% and 65% respectively.

Kabaal · 25-10-2013, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Are you definitely sure about that? I remember it being greater than 50%.
In fact, here's an article from last June: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...icy-again.html

Sorry i forget that there were differing perspectives with STM over the summer. On 120mb the upload reduction was -50% from when they rolled out the stm trial at the start of the summer until very recently, at the same time those still on 100mb had the -65%. The numbers listed on the site were not what was being applied, at least to those of us who were posting int he STM trial thread on the VM forum.

So for all intents and purposes those of us on 120mb went from the old STM with the 10gb(?) threshold or whatever it was to the new low thresholds and -50% then in the past couple of weeks to -65%.