How pathetic - Maddie Case

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nope, just pointing out how you change your mind from post to post.

What's it to be? Did the Portuguese police have "doubts" about the McCanns or did they believe them "guilty"? And if they believed them guilty, how could they as there is no evidence to implicate them.


All of the above is from your previous posts. Not random in the slightest.




If you had a consistent opinion, it would be easier. But you seem to be a bit wobbly on the subject.

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I have been very consistent on this point.

If there was evidence to implicate the McCanns, why haven't they been charged?

You're offering nothing.

neither are you though

[adzii_nufc]

British police dogs pick up multiple scents of a corpse but this isn't a big deal according to British police. People die everyday in apartments right. It's as bogus as the parents answers to said scents. They gave multiple explanations then changed them all when questioned again! This was the media too. Why the British police investigation team wouldn't question the parents after that kind of find I'll never know. As for this apparently disgraced detective. What warrants the title of disgrace? His criticism of the British police force? The suggestion the McCanns may have killed her? I'm criticising our police right now. Surprisingly it's the same guy who'd put away another child's parents for killing their child and saying it was an abduction. Who'd have guessed.

In fact have the entire report.

exact words of the report:a) in the McCanns’ apartment, Apartment 5A, Eddie the cadaver the dog detected the scent of a human corpse (human cadaverine):in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, around a wardrobe, andin the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment.Also, a ‘lighter’ scent of death was found in the flower beds in the back yard, near the foot of the steps leading down from the patio.b) on family items of clothing, Eddie found the scent of a corpse as follows:on two items of Kate McCann’s clothing, andon one item of Madeleine’s clothing - a T-shirt.c) in addition, Eddie the cadaver dog was taken to the house that the McCanns rented, in a different part of Praia da Luz, after they left Apartment 5A. Eddie found cadaverine on what was said to be Madeleine’s favourite pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, which Dr Kate McCann always had with her when being interviewed by the media - but which Eddie detected lying in an otherwise empty cupboard. Here it should be noted that, earlier, Eddie had found Cuddle Cat in the living room at the McCanns’ rented home, tossed it in the air, but not actually ‘marked’ it by barking. He later marked it when the police re-located it in the cupboard.d) on top of all that, Eddie, sniffing the car from the outside only, detected cadaverine in the car the McCanns hired on 22nd May, less than three weeks after Madeleine ‘disappeared’ - a Renault Scenic:on the car keyaround the door of the front driver’s seat.These findings, supported by other forensic evidence, show that a dead body must have begun to emit cadaverine in Apartment 5A - the McCanns’ apartment. That body must have lain dead in that apartment for at least 90 minutes, probably two hours or more. Once that ‘smell of death’ - cadaverine - had begun to be produced, it could then be transferred to other locations such as the hire car, Madeleine’s clothes, Dr Kate McCann’s clothes and Cuddle Cat.That means that a corpse - that must have been dead for approximately two hours (in order for cadaverine to have been produced) - must have been in*direct*contact*with all of these locations - floor, wardrobe, car, clothes etc. If the body had subsequently been moved, it would still emit cadaverine as it was decomposing. Meanwhile, Keela, the blood-hound, found the smell of blood - note,blood, not just ‘body fluids’:a) in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment (exactly where Eddie had found the scent of human cadaverine), andb) in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic:on the car keyin the interior of the car boot.

The McCanns were never questioned by law enforcement? Why? The British police seem to have no interest in the possibility she wasn't abducted and the Portuguese weren't going to touch thatafter being hammered by British police and media alike when they actually arrested them as suspects.

Don't count the dogs finding as evidence though remember they're so unreliable we never use them anymore do we?

Whilst I believe what I believe and that's my opinion and right to do so. However I'm more annoyed at the investigation being so one sided. Why aren't questions being asked? Why am I sitting here asking questions this simple rather than police investigation teams. It's hardly findings you can just throw out the window.

I bet we all want her to be alive and found well but it's about time they looked at the other possibilities here .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

neither are you though

I know, but I don't have to , as I'm not the one suggesting that the McCanns had anything to do with the girls abduction.

I wasn't aware that innocence had to proven, but was presumed until compelling evidence was produced until they are tried and convicted

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Don't count the dogs finding as evidence though remember they're so unreliable we never use them anymore do we?

Of course it's evidence. But you answered your own question. On there own they are unreliable. Simple as that.

Why aren't questions being asked? Why am I sitting here asking questions this simple rather than police investigation teams. It's hardly findings you can just throw out the window.

You have no idea what questions are being asked, or what the investigating teams are currently doing.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I know, but I don't have to , as I'm not the one suggesting that the McCanns had anything to do with the girls abduction.

I wasn't aware that innocence had to proven, but was presumed until compelling evidence was produced until they are tried and convicted

Which someone tried to do until he was nailed to a cross by the British media and police force. Any chance of actually making a case of it went out of the window when our media portrayed Portugal as a third world country with no police resources. I'd say the scent of a corpse was a pretty good start to the case which swiftly and conveniently moved on from that with no questions asked. Yeah I'm sure there's a rational explanation for my snifferdog detecting the scent of a dead body in your rental car. 3 weeks after she had disappeared too.
That rational explanation is according to the McCanns... Pork confuses sniffer dogs...

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I know, but I don't have to , as I'm not the one suggesting that the McCanns had anything to do with the girls abduction.

I wasn't aware that innocence had to proven, but was presumed until compelling evidence was produced until they are tried and convicted

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Of course it's evidence. But you answered your own question. On there own they are unreliable. Simple as that.



You have no idea what questions are being asked, or what the investigating teams are currently doing.

I was being sarcastic. Both dogs used are world renowned and are two of the most reliable in service..
I think I have a pretty good idea of what they're doing based on last night's crime watch. Until you pick up this detectives book and read it you'll never see this side of it. There's plenty of viable evidence going against both parents and there's also a reason you've never seen it. A certain family's lawyers are blocking extracts from being published in the British media. Now if I was the parents I'd likely be looking at offering decent explanations to the evidence this man provided rather than throw my lawyers all over it. Now I've read it and here I am now asking questions they could have avoided.

[peanut]

As much as I dislike this couple for many reasons, the only question I have in their defense is why carry out such a prolonged campaign in their quest to find Maddy if they have something to hide. If they are guilty of something I wouldn't have thought they'd be this determined to be in the media spotlight for so long.

This couple are intelligent obviously so can't rule out the possibility of hiding behind their reasons but after all this time it is quite odd as if they did play any part then they've gotten away with it so why keep up their campaign. I know I could have answered my own question to why but it does seem quite implausible now.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

It makes my blood boil when you read things that people don't want this case solved and are not interested in the new focus.

Yes its quite sad........ People are more concerend with REALITY TV they they are of important stuff like finding this poor girl!!

[peanut]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

£1.8m+

Yeah which goes into their search fund, if people get a whiff of profiteering from all this then things would start looking suspicious.

Also this couple is quite middle class I don't think they need the money somehow, and to use a child for financial gain seems even more odd.

[dilli-theclaw]

I've still not changed my mind from what I thought in the original thread.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ne-mccann.html

[peanut]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I've still not changed my mind from what I thought in the original thread.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ne-mccann.html

I can't rule out anything, things can be stranger than fiction and all that.... Anything is possible.

But what is stopping the parents from releasing a statement stating that they accept she's gone and they want to move on now, thereby killing all inquiries from here on in. If they have something to hide then that would be quite an easy exit for them.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I know, but I don't have to , as I'm not the one suggesting that the McCanns had anything to do with the girls abduction.

I wasn't aware that innocence had to proven, but was presumed until compelling evidence was produced until they are tried and convicted

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Of course it's evidence. But you answered your own question. On there own they are unreliable. Simple as that.



You have no idea what questions are being asked, or what the investigating teams are currently doing.

neither does the opposition all we are doing is voicing our suspicions nothing more. I am not saying they did anything I am saying I think they might have and seeing as I not saying they are guilty I do not have to prove anything either

Of course if there ever is enough evidence to charge them then they will have to prove their innocence just as the prosecution would have to prove their guilt

[Stuart]

Before we go down the route of actually accusing people, can I remind the members that any such comments are potentially libellous and as such will be dealt with?

Originally Posted by Stuart

Before we go down the route of actually accusing people, can I remind the members that any such comments are potentially libellous and as such will be dealt with?

I for one would only say I know something for sure if I actually knew for sure. I like the words might and may and not talking in absolutes

[Arthurgray50@blu]

All members are having a go at each other over this matter. Some saying that ITS the McCanns fault and that they know what happened.

I have said all along and people are whining about it and saying - forget it she is dead.

IF you look at the facts which everyone knows about, The group kept regular checks on the children - no problem there. Every parent would do the same.

The Portuguese police just gave up after several weeks - knowing full well that the resort had regular sex offenders there, plus they have had recent burglaries in the area.
Also, children have also gone missing on the resort over many years.

Why is the McCann family strong - quite simple, they want to find their daughter - whether dead or alive. They have also stated that ANY money left in the fund would go to a general fund where it can look for missing kids.

What people are also forgetting is that there should be a WORLDWIDE system like they do in the USA - as soon as there is a missing child reported - it is signalled all over the states on big electronic signs.

Sadly this country won't have it due to costs.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What people are also forgetting is that there should be a WORLDWIDE system like they do in the USA - as soon as there is a missing child reported - it is signalled all over the states on big electronic signs.

Sadly this country won't have it due to costs.

Actually, we do have such a system. It just uses local TV and Radio stations instead of road signs.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

All members are having a go at each other over this matter. Some saying that ITS the McCanns fault and that they know what happened.

I have said all along and people are whining about it and saying - forget it she is dead.

IF you look at the facts which everyone knows about, The group kept regular checks on the children - no problem there. Every parent would do the same.

The Portuguese police just gave up after several weeks - knowing full well that the resort had regular sex offenders there, plus they have had recent burglaries in the area.
Also, children have also gone missing on the resort over many years.

Why is the McCann family strong - quite simple, they want to find their daughter - whether dead or alive. They have also stated that ANY money left in the fund would go to a general fund where it can look for missing kids.

What people are also forgetting is that there should be a WORLDWIDE system like they do in the USA - as soon as there is a missing child reported - it is signalled all over the states on big electronic signs.

Sadly this country won't have it due to costs.

but very few parents would leave their infant children alone in an apartment while they were to far away to keep them safe so ultimately the very fact the children were left make it the fault of their parents.