Superhub : Superhub 3 with 802.11ac?

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Could be? I'm still convinced that the Shub3 will be a DOCSIS 3.1 device, but only run on DOCSIS3 for the time being - could be 200Mbit, I suppose. There's no reason why the SHub1 or 2 couldn't do 200Meg though, especially with 8 D/S channels.

Sounds like a goid plan and i would to see it rolled out that way but i think they going to have to start banging out 200mbits long before they are ready for docsus 3.1

[Kushan]

Well that document that was revealed a while ago stated that the best way to roll out 3.1 would be to start with the modems, then upgrade the network when ready. SH2 is relatively new so I don't expect a new one any time soon, certainly not before Wireless-AC is fully ratified. Should have plenty of time to get some 3.1 stuff in there, I hope.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Jong1

Sadly, no ac support in the 5s.

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/

Roll on iPhone6!

smartphone vendors have mastered dripfeeding tech.

[Kushan]

To be fair, I'm not sure I see the point of ac on a phone. I've yet to see a phone capable of hitting N300 speeds, let alone N450.

[Chrysalis]

there isnt really, its the same as there is no point of DPI on smartphones that exceed 200. But they keep bumping it up so people think cool and buy.

[Jong1]

Originally Posted by Kushan

To be fair, I'm not sure I see the point of ac on a phone. I've yet to see a phone capable of hitting N300 speeds, let alone N450.

I was going to say similar! My iPhone 5 only does max 70Mb/s connected to my SH2 @5Ghz. but to be fair 802.11ac should also offer improved speed at any given range, even if not beating 802.11n's theoretical max.

[Sephiroth]

The caveat to what Jong1 has said is the end point of any transactionfrom an 802.11ac device. So if it's the internet that's target, depending on the protocol between router and ac device, there'll either be buffering in the router (and that can cause problems) or slow demand from the ac device.

[chrispuk2004]

SGS4 with 802.11AC does 120Mbps here so I would say it is worth it.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by chrispuk2004

SGS4 with 802.11AC does 120Mbps here so I would say it is worth it.

and what do you need 120mbit speeds for on a smartphone

[Kushan]

Porn. Haven't we been through this already? =D

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by roger skillin

Do you have one single device that currently could use 802.11ac ?.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

So what animal laid the egg then???????????

A pre-chicken.

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Originally Posted by roger skillin

Purchase a router that supports 802.11ac then, simples

Why buy something you could get for free.

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Originally Posted by Jong1

Sadly, no ac support in the 5s.

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/

Roll on iPhone6!

Apart from network testing (which I do do a lot of) I fail to see the need for 50Mbps+ in a phone.

Occasionally I'll want to transfer lots of music to it over my LAN but then my wireless is already faster than my memory card

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

IMO, 200 meg needs increase to 1024QAM on same infrastructure or it needs 16 channels on enhanced infrastructure at 256QAM. 1024QAM raises the noise flor by 3 dB; is the network good enough for this given the way it is segmented?

According to Ignition, 400 meg doesn't necessarily need any more than 8 channels of 256 QAM on a well run network.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Well that document that was revealed a while ago stated that the best way to roll out 3.1 would be to start with the modems, then upgrade the network when ready. SH2 is relatively new so I don't expect a new one any time soon, certainly not before Wireless-AC is fully ratified. Should have plenty of time to get some 3.1 stuff in there, I hope.

Have you ever seen VM follow such a path? Dunno about long in the past but they certainly never released DOCSIS 3 modems before rolling out a DOCSIS 3 network and service.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

To be fair, I'm not sure I see the point of ac on a phone. I've yet to see a phone capable of hitting N300 speeds, let alone N450.

That's because phones are not built to support N300 or N450. Similarly I'm yet to see a laptop capable of N600 but that doesn't mean AC won't be faster.

Most phones only support N150 because MIMO increases costs and power consumption. AC can increase speeds to the equivalent of N450 without needing to triple the number of wireless radio paths.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

there isnt really, its the same as there is no point of DPI on smartphones that exceed 200. But they keep bumping it up so people think cool and buy.

I disagree on the DPI point, I can quite clearly see (and get annoyed by) pixelation on 300 PPI screens, and that equates to 600 DPI on the pentile matrix. I had to go to 900 DPI before reaching the point where I could no longer see or benefit from "bumping it up"

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Originally Posted by chrispuk2004

SGS4 with 802.11AC does 120Mbps here so I would say it is worth it.

It does that with 802.11n too. AC should be doing double that.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

and what do you need 120mbit speeds for on a smartphone

Copying an MP3 album over while running for the bus. Yes, my wireless does cover the local park and 4 nearest bus stops.

Though that's less important now I can get up to 100Mbit speeds anywhere I can get to by bus...

But really, it is more likely to benefit laptops than anything else, but then laptops are also the easiest to upgrade to 802.11ac. It'll probably cost less than £30 in a year or so.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

According to Ignition, 400 meg doesn't necessarily need any more than 8 channels of 256 QAM on a well run network.

Sure - that's the maths of 256QAM. But then just one user can stuff a network node at 400 meg. I was looking beyond that.

[Chrysalis]

Qas you must have really good eye sight, there was some kind of scientific report done on DPI and they said phones have gone well past the point that people will notice pixels. Obviously I am talking about looking at it normally not putting it right close to eye to examine it. Interestingly the same report also said 1080p is pointless over 720p on screens under 32 inches for tv use. On my monitor which is 22inch 1680x1050 nothing feels pixelated if its at that resolution, and of course this is much lower DPI than a high end smartphone.

Copying an MP3 album over while running for the bus. Yes, my wireless does cover the local park and 4 nearest bus stops.

Though that's less important now I can get up to 100Mbit speeds anywhere I can get to by bus...

But really, it is more likely to benefit laptops than anything else, but then laptops are also the easiest to upgrade to 802.11ac. It'll probably cost less than £30 in a year or so

How often are you copying mp3s whilst running for the bus? and I wonder if a N connection vs AC for copying those mp3s will make the difference. I can understand AC for home network devices such as laptops and pcs, nas etc. but phones it seems a bit of a niche/novelty feature.

[Jong1]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Apart from network testing (which I do do a lot of) I fail to see the need for 50Mbps+ in a phone.

I agree and I'm in no rush. A year or 2 when costs are down is just fine for me. But my point, in a slightly later post is that ac should (yes, we'll need to see) offer usefully better speeds at a range when n would be struggling, e.g. in bigger, older homes.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Jong1

I agree and I'm in no rush. A year or 2 when costs are down is just fine for me. But my point, in a slightly later post is that ac should (yes, we'll need to see) offer usefully better speeds at a range when n would be struggling, e.g. in bigger, older homes.

odd, qas in his rush to disagree with me, forgot he said he fails to see a need for 50mbit+ in a phone.