New info about Princess Diana death

[blackthorn]

I wouldnt trust or believe a lot of things that the security services or government of the day say after being told, with 185 other people, that something did not happen when it did happen. We were told that if asked, to give a different version of events and also reminded that we were bound by the o.s.a. So it is possible to keep a small to medium group of people quiet.

Originally Posted by blackthorn

I wouldnt trust or believe a lot of things that the security services or government of the day say after being told, with 185 other people, that something did not happen when it did happen. We were told that if asked, to give a different version of events and also reminded that we were bound by the o.s.a. So it is possible to keep a small to medium group of people quiet.

I would say money talks and the very real threat of a bullet in the head is quite an incentive

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by blackthorn

I wouldnt trust or believe a lot of things that the security services or government of the day say after being told, with 185 other people, that something did not happen when it did happen. We were told that if asked, to give a different version of events and also reminded that we were bound by the o.s.a. So it is possible to keep a small to medium group of people quiet.

you best stop talking or we'll have a Blackthorn Down.

[blackthorn]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

you best stop talking or we'll have a Blackthorn Down.

Lol yea I did think that, thats why I was careful not to mention incidents, does anyone know how long you are bound by the osa, is it for life or a certain amount of years.

[idi banashapan]

i'm not even sure you're allowed to mention that you signed it as it would imply you know something worth keeping quiet...

[dilli-theclaw]

I've signed it and I don't know anything interesting ;-)

[blackthorn]

It was about 39 years ago, so I doubt what happened would have any bearing nowadays. That's why I was curious as to how long it lasts for.

Originally Posted by Nidge41

It makes the News Papers money on a dull non news weekend.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by blackthorn

It was about 39 years ago, so I doubt what happened would have any bearing nowadays. That's why I was curious as to how long it lasts for.

I know my security clearances last for 10 years, but don't know if the O.S.A. finishes at the same time or not, tbh.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

'conspiracy theory' has such negative connotations these days and seems to be nothing more than a synonym for generally accepted mocking and ridicule, in my opinion. if the same behaviours were about another topic, it would be deemed tantamount to bullying. as soon as anyone says anything that poses difficult questions (in terms of being able to answer, or indeed to simply confront emotionally), there is an immediate backlash consisting of attacking, finger pointing and tin hat references. it is good that people ask questions, even if the answers that have already been given are fact. if we never asked more than what we were told, how could we ever grow? if Newton didn't bother to ask more than what science of the time and the Church told him, no one would have ever heard of him.

people need to accept that sometimes we are not told everything about everything. things do happen that we don't know about or for reasons we will never understand, but that does not mean they didn't happen or they don't exist. to never question, but to follow blindly what you are told is detrimental in so many ways, not only to the individual, but to society and potentially, the greater good.

we really need to remove this negative attachment to the phrase 'conspiracy theory'. it does nothing more than dumb down and beat back yourself. it's akin to simply giving up and trusting anything you are told.

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that in a lot of ways, they are actually very closed minded. They will believe any source as long as it's not the authorities. Personally, I know there is a lot that goes on that we are not told about and I suspect that some of the stuff our authorities are involved in is somewhat less than legal. However, unlike most of the conspiracy theorists I know, I am happy to accept that I am not always right.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that in a lot of ways, they are actually very closed minded. They will believe any source as long as it's not the authorities. Personally, I know there is a lot that goes on that we are not told about and I suspect that some of the stuff our authorities are involved in is somewhat less than legal. However, unlike most of the conspiracy theorists I know, I am happy to accept that I am not always right.

all the same, it doesn't excuse the fact there is a lot of otherwise offensive and upsetting posts towards those who dare to air their differing views. how come it seems ok to mock, finger point, name call, 'ganging up' and verbally beat down if it's against someone who's opinion, rightly or wrongly, does not match the mainstream. if people were less aggressive towards those who hold different views, others may find it easier to talk to them. putting them immediately on the defensive will not make people come round to the mainstream way of thinking, it will merely make people put up barriers and try harder not to conform or agree with the abuser's view (and yes, I do believe some people have become victims of abuse in terms of comments aimed at them at times). if some of these posts were against another in a thread about any other topic, I'm sure we would see posts getting removed, mods telling people to calm down or even infractions in some cases.

some examples in this thread alone that I personally feel are designed to mock, belittle, stir or finger-point (directly or otherwise) those who have aired a differing opinion...

Originally Posted by Sirius

More tinfoil hat stuff to join the rest like, the Bermuda triangle, the faked moon landings, the 9-11 was a Government led hit, Elvis is was seen in the local chippy. Who the hell thinks these looney conspiracy theory's are real

It is so so sad that some will keep digging at this trying to make something out of nothing. its simple "IT WAS A CAR ACCIDENT" now move along and find something interesting to do in your life.

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I know one theory that was true - a hidden nazi base on the moon. It must've been true I saw a film on that

Originally Posted by Sirius

The sad conspiracy theorist will keep digging and digging trying to make A = B= C in the end they MIGHT give up if something else takes their fancy

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They were in on it to, if it ever gets out that it was Phillip in the tunnel with the blunderbuss it get out that James Hewitt is Harry's father to.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, and the CIA planned 9/11 and the moon landings were faked

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I have a suggestion.Let the conspiracy enthusiasts have this thread.

Those of us who are actually sane and sensible should just bow out and leave them to it.

Then they can just let rip and get it out of their systems..and we can quietly laugh at the more outlandish suggestions.

That's it.I'm walking away and I'll only come back if there is a moderating issue.

Originally Posted by martyh

you're trying to convince a conspiracy theorist of that , good luck

i know this may get some people's backs up, and the post may even be edited by a mod / admin, but that only goes to prove my point. and I know those listed above will say "it was only a joke", but to be on the receiving end of those comments will not feel like they are very funny, warranted or necessary jokes.

let me put it this way, if I replaced the word 'conspiracy' with 'religious' from any one of those comments above, or change an event to a religious story and posted it, would that post remain on the thread?

and once again, let me state - I believe Diana died in a tragic car accident. i do not believe there is a conspiracy behind it. however I accept that it is possible something else may have been a factor in her death that I do not know about.

And it's the difference between probable and possible that some people cannot seem to work out - a lot of things are possible, but not probable.

It's possible that I could sleep with Kylie, just not probable....

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And it's the difference between probable and possible that some people cannot seem to work out - a lot of things are possible, but not probable.

It's possible that I could sleep with Kylie, just not probable....

agreed....

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

snip...

keep an open mind. plausible, possible and probable are not the same thing. the same as opinion, belief, truth and fact are not the same thing.

Originally Posted by Hugh

And it's the difference between probable and possible that some people cannot seem to work out - a lot of things are possible, but not probable.

It's possible that I could sleep with Kylie, just not probable....

and people need to realise that just because some thing is not probable it does not make it impossible

People are posting like they actually know well the only ones who know are the ones who are there. You can all believe what you want to but unless you have first hand experience then you can not possibly know.

The only evidence most have seen on this is what they have read in the press or seen on the news

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

and people need to realise that just because some thing is not probable it does not make it impossible

People are posting like they actually know well the only ones who know are the ones who are there. You can all believe what you want to but unless you have first hand experience then you can not possibly know.

The only evidence most have seen on this is what they have read in the press or seen on the news

Some expert opinion on the latest revelations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...bodyguard.html