Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich - Page 14

devilincarnate · 23-05-2013, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

I thought they rescinded the order not to leave camp in uniform this morning.

No idea as he is over in Kent at the moment so if they know something that we do not?

Gary L · 23-05-2013, 18:57

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Originally Posted by martyh

see above ,they seem to be doing quite a good job of preventing those who might do it today, tomorrow, or when they can be bothered

They failed yesterday.

**Hugh** · 23-05-2013, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The thing about most of them is that they were either born in this country. and fighting for another country. or they fled from a country to come and live here. and fight for the country they fled.

the point being that there's many of them. who the 'authorities' know are a threat. a ticking time bomb. but the British way is that unless they get caught in the act. then they are left ticking away.

Really?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22294720

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Olympics.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...ted-terrorists

http://news.yahoo.com/4-uk-men-jaile...121629664.html

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/the-thre...in-the-uk.html

**Chris** · 23-05-2013, 19:03

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Originally Posted by danielf

I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Win/win, so far as I can see.

If they're really lucky they might get to sit next to Peter Sutcliffe at breakfast. He thought he was being guided by the voice of God too.

Uncle Peter · 23-05-2013, 19:19

imho if you conduct a premeditated attack against a member of HM armed forces with intent to kill, either at home or abroad, you are an unlawful combatant and should be dealt with as such.

devilincarnate · 23-05-2013, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Gary L

How long are they likely to keep that up for?

He has no idea at the moment how it will be for but he is over in Chatem in Kent? So who knows what is going on and what is happening as well?

Sirius · 23-05-2013, 19:40

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Originally Posted by danielf

I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

One would hope so.

danielf · 23-05-2013, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Chris

If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Win/win, so far as I can see.

If they're really lucky they might get to sit next to Peter Sutcliffe at breakfast. He thought he was being guided by the voice of God too.

It just occurred to me that perhaps, like Anders Breivik, they would consider it a failure to be judged insane.

Sirius · 23-05-2013, 19:42

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Originally Posted by martyh

You may think she was stupid but i see her as a very brave lady

She saw him with blood all over himself,holding a cleaver and a gun ,he may well have continued hacking away at someone else to get more attention had she not spoken to him ,if a man had gone to him to try to get the weapons off him then we may well be reading about 2 murders ,some women have a natural gift for defusing tense and violent situations by simply staying calm themselves ,had a man confronted them it would be confrontational which just exacerbates situations like these

I feel the same way.

**Damien** · 23-05-2013, 19:45

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Originally Posted by danielf

It just occurred to me that perhaps, like Anders Breivik, they would consider it a failure to be judged insane.

That's a good point. Would have been nice if they woke to see the papers this morning and they were simply portrayed as the murderers they are and not the islamic martyr they hope it be. Every day they should be reminded that they're nothing, just killers. They didn't start a 'war', they didn't provoke fear, they're two nutters who murdered someone's dad in cold blood.

devilincarnate · 23-05-2013, 19:45

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Originally Posted by danielf

I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

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Originally Posted by Chris

If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Why do they need o go either place just send them to the Glass house

Sirius · 23-05-2013, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Damien

So many are brave until they have to prove it. I wonder how many people would have gone to the killers like this woman did and the two other women who went to protect the body and speak to the killers too. I would probably be very far away hiding behind a bin.

I have been in a life and death situation in the forces, You don't think about what you are doing until after the event and then the shock hits you.

23-05-2013, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Gary L

but the British way is that unless they get caught in the act. then they are left ticking away.

If that where true ,and i think Hugh has provided ample evidence that it is not ,then the reason we leave people alone until they actually do something illegal is because we are a Democracy and a free country ,unlike the countries these people are fighting for .Simply locking people up indiscriminately because of what we think they may do without enough evidence is simply bringing us down to their level and makes all the lives of the soldiers who have died past and present to fight for our freedoms absolutely worthless

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Originally Posted by Damien

That's a good point. Would have been nice if they woke to see the papers this morning and they were simply portrayed as the murderers they are and not the islamic martyr they hope it be. Every day they should be reminded that they're nothing, just killers. They didn't start a 'war', they didn't provoke fear, they're two nutters who murdered someone's dad in cold blood.

I hate to raise Mrs T into this thread but she was a good example of what you speak of .She refused to allow the IRA terrorists to be shown or treated as political activists ,she insisted on them being treated as common criminals ,i think it is a tactic that should be continued with Islamic extremists.

Russ · 23-05-2013, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

That's a good point. Would have been nice if they woke to see the papers this morning and they were simply portrayed as the murderers they are and not the islamic martyr they hope it be.

Had the media done that then they would be accused of "not wanting to offend Muslims".

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Incredible footage of the 2 idiots getting their arses handed to them on a plate by armed police

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-video-1907772

Sirius · 23-05-2013, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Russ

Had the media done that then they would be accused of "not wanting to offend Muslims".

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Incredible footage of the 2 idiots getting their arses handed to them on a plate by armed police

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-video-1907772

Nice find Russ

Well done to those brave coppers, personally i wish they had killed the *******s there and then in that exchange of gun fire. It would have saved us a fortune in legal cost but now they will get the best legal defence paid for by us.