Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich - Page 8

PurpleInfi · 23-05-2013, 04:50

Personally I think crimes like this justify the death penalty being brought back. What those vile men have done is an attack on this very country.

Heart goes out to the family.

Derek · 23-05-2013, 05:48

It's now confirmed that the victim was a serving soldier.

R.I.P.

denphone · 23-05-2013, 10:15

Woolwich Terror Murder Suspect Named.

http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/wo...-suspect-named

Russ · 23-05-2013, 10:24

In....credible....

https://twitter.com/Campaignmag/stat...592704/photo/1

**Damien** · 23-05-2013, 10:27

Personally I am sick of the EDF too.

Actually at least one of those responses was to a Twitter user who has making a joke.

23-05-2013, 10:30

What I find staggering is the fact a hacked to death body is thrown into the road and the killers are their tooled up and there is still a crowd watching

**Damien** · 23-05-2013, 10:38

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What I find staggering is the fact a hacked to death body is thrown into the road and the killers are their tooled up and there is still a crowd watching

It's actually the most bizarre thing about this. Everyone is just standing around, a few people are talking to the killers, a woman walks by them with a shopping bag. There is this weird calmness, and astonishing lack of fear, in the aftermath of a savage and brutal murder.

danielf · 23-05-2013, 10:53

The whole thing is just so utterly bizarre. There's no telling how anyone would react, as no-one has ever experienced anything remotely like it.

**Damien** · 23-05-2013, 10:56

Even the guy on film as talking quite calmly about what he did....

danielf · 23-05-2013, 10:59

I've not watched any of the video footage. Not sure if I want to

denphone · 23-05-2013, 11:02

l saw enough last night and it was sickening to the stomach.

Gary L · 23-05-2013, 11:08

They showed his face at the start. then on the news was a 'terrorist' expert who said that they shouldn't be showing his face as it will make him a hero or whatever.

then they started blurring his face out. then they're back to showing his face.

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.

I know it sounds silly. but if the UK were armed. I wonder how many bullet holes would be in the 2 dead Muslim bodies?

Russ · 23-05-2013, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.

They were shot by police...

Gary L · 23-05-2013, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Russ

They were shot by police...

Yeh. but they're still breathing.

thenry · 23-05-2013, 11:59

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786

"A believer continues to guard his Faith (and thus hopes for Allah's Mercy) so long as he does not shed blood unjustly".

source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786

Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "I warn you of extremism in the Religion for indeed those that came before you were destroyed due to their extremism in the religion."

again source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786

Allah is not kind to him who is not kind to people

Those who are kind and considerate to Allah's creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you

again source? is it from the Quran? if so could I have the verse number?

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"If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind"
[Al-Qur’an 5:32]

5:32 from the Quran I have stamped by Saudi Arabia is as follows word for word

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32. Because of that, we ordained for the Chidlren of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits, (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land![1]

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[1] (V.5:32) Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said: "The biggest of Al-Kaba'ir (the greatest sins) are: (1) To join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement," or said, "to give a false witness." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 9, Hadith No.10).

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not do aggression, for Allah loves not the aggressors. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship (Makkah) until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Al-Baqarah 190-194)

2:190-194

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190. And fight in the Way of Allah[1] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (9:36].

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[1] (V. 2.190) Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, (His Word being La ilaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory dity in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mad'ud: I asked Allah's Messenger, "O Allah's Messenger! What is the best deed? He replied, "To offer the Salat (prayers) at their early fixed stated times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Messenger anymore and if I had asked him more, He would have told me more. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.41).

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191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[2] is worse than killing. Andfight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah)[3], unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

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[2] (V. 2:191) Al-Fitnah: polytheism, to disbelieve after one has believed in Allah, or a trial or a calamity or an affliction.

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[3] (V. 2:191) Narrated Abu-Bakrah: The Prophet delivered us a Khutbah (religious talk) on the day of Nahr (10th of Dhul Hijjah).He said, "Do you know what is the day today?" We said, "Allah and his Messenger know better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give that day another name. He said, "Isn't it the day of Nahr? We said, "It is." He further asked, "Which month is this?" We said, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give it another name. He then said, "Isn't it the month of Dhul-Hijjah?" We replied: "Yes, it is." He furthrer asked, "What town is this?" We replied, "Allah and his Messenger know it better." He remained silent till we thought that he might give it another name. He then said, "Isn't it the forbidden (sacred) town (of Makkah)?" We said, "Yes, it is." He said, "No doubt, your blood and your properties are sacred to one another like the sanctity of this day of yours, in this month of yours, in this town of yours, till the day you meet your Lord. No doubt! Haven't I conveyed Allah's Message to you? We said, "Yes." He said, "O Allah! Be witness. So it is incumbent upon those who are present to convey it (this information) to those who are absent because the informed one might comprehend it (what I have said) better than the present audience, who will convey it to him. Beware! Do not renegade (as) disbelievers after me by striking thenecks (cutting the throats) of one another." (Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2, Hadith No.797)

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192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone)[1]. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimum (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)

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[1] (V. 2:193) (A) Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La ilaha illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allahand that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic Laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Hadith No.24)
(B) See (V8:39) and its footnote

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194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Qaulity (Qisas). The whoever transgresses the prohibitions against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Muttaqun (the pious - See V.2:2).

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Originally Posted by umbrokhan786

What happened in Woolwich today is completely and utterly disgusting and someone who claims to be a Muslim wouldn't dream about carrying out such act. Islam means peace and life is sacred in Islam, these cowards are nothing but a stain on society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrq_0qWGLJQ

I can pick a lot of holes in the above. I'm not in any way provoking a MuslimvEveryoneElse fight here but I am putting forward facts. One of which is stop hiding and face the problem head on. People say Islam is peace and all but you read what I've just typed out, the quotes from the written Quran I have from Saudi Arabia and wonder why many say its not! Try to explain to me how peaceful it is when a person is told to attack a non believer? Read the above and ask yourself why these men said what they said, eye for eye etc.

I will look up any Quran quotes any person on here posts for verification and clarification.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

They showed his face at the start. then on the news was a 'terrorist' expert who said that they shouldn't be showing his face as it will make him a hero or whatever.

then they started blurring his face out. then they're back to showing his face.

Islam extremists need shooting by the police. not wounded and taken to hospital.

I know it sounds silly. but if the UK were armed. I wonder how many bullet holes would be in the 2 dead Muslim bodies?

ye it is silly. I dont want to carry round a gun thanks very much.