Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Damien

We've had the criminal justice system here for a long time. How many times has this happened? Somehow I don't think that fact that we don't just execute people with a fair trial is why they do it. You can't deter crazy people, these guys ran at the armed police trying to get shot. The 7/7 bombers blew themselves up. Yet you think the threat of death will deter them....

No i dont but we need that option, however some people would sooner we did not

In cases like this i believe in shot to kill if they have been seen to have killed.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Its a terrorist attack as they look like they targeted a soldier, they were shouting allahu akbar or snackbar what ever it is that the terrorist shout all the time when they are killing inocent people. You can call it what ever you like, but i will call it a terrorist incident because i honestly beleave it is.

If they targeted a soldier, based on religious views then it is more a hate crime in my eyes, although the dictionary meanings of the dictionary of both words may differ. This may be because of the War on Terror brainwashing by the government through the media in the past though.

If they targeted the guy not knowing he was a soldier but based on him wearing a t-shirt supporting the troops, its another story.

Allah akbar (or whatever it is) is also used daily by most Muslims as a saying. Just happens that we think of the barbaric terrorists shouting it when we hear it. Terrorists or extreme deranged religious fanatics, they were obviously Muslims.

Originally Posted by Sirius

No i dont but we need that option, however some people would sooner we did not

In cases like this i believe in shot to kill if they have been seen to have killed.

What difference will that make? That's what they want. Both in terms of their deaths and that they want this country to be more like that...

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Damien

What difference will that make? That's what they want. Both in terms of their deaths and that they want this country to be more like that...

It'll save the country a couple of million quid in keeping them in relative luxury in prison for the next 30 years or so.

Personally if they did this because of what is happening in 'their lands' (East London judging by the accent but never mind) I'd quite happily give them a lift back there and drop them off from about 50,000 feet.

Surely if Allah is happy about them committing murder they won't come to harm and will be miraculously saved...

[Pierre]

They're not terrorists don't give them the kudos of such a title.

they're common murderers plain and simple, and they should be tried, judged and sentenced as such.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Calling it a terrorist attack and having the PM's involvements is just because the government think there is a benefit to do so.

If the police had just responded and shot them, it would have hit the news as a racial motivated attack and forgotten within a week. Minus the beheading, these things happen daily in the UK.

Reporting it differently or toned down would stop others from trying the same, if they think there no-one will notice. At this stage I think this is just two people, obsessed with religion and The West, who crossed the line in to violence, rather than a terrorist cell. The accent of one them shows they have lived in London for at least 10 years, so if he was from overseas originally, he came here at a young age.

No way would it or will it be treated as a racist attack. Can't have statistics telling the full truth can we?

Islamic terrorists in this country, who'd have thought it?
How many normal people carry guns, machetes and knives around in their car? The attack was by TWO guys, not just one person losing the plot. There is a report that says that they ran the guy down with the car first.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Derek

It'll save the country a couple of million quid in keeping them in relative luxury in prison for the next 30 years or so.

Personally if they did this because of what is happening in 'their lands' (East London judging by the accent but never mind) I'd quite happily give them a lift back there and drop them off from about 50,000 feet.

Surely if Allah is happy about them committing murder they won't come to harm and will be miraculously saved...

Gets my vote, it does sicken me that people think we should treat these *******s nicely.

Originally Posted by Derek

It'll save the country a couple of million quid in keeping them in relative luxury in prison for the next 30 years or so.

This what our country is, and it shares that trait with most other civilised nations that have abolished the death penalty and all other civilised nations which give people a trial. Even America gives people trials before death sentences and then they end up costing the state just as much, if not more, to execute.

Besides it's what they want. They wanted to be killed today by the sounds of it.

Surely if Allah is happy about them committing murder they won't come to harm and will be miraculously saved...

If they're like all the others they'll think death is part of the plan and they'll be rewarded in death. Again, they'll probably jump before they're pushed off that plane.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Qtx

If they targeted a soldier, based on religious views then it is more a hate crime in my eyes, although the dictionary meanings of the dictionary of both words may differ. This may be because of the War on Terror brainwashing by the government through the media in the past though.

If they targeted the guy not knowing he was a soldier but based on him wearing a t-shirt supporting the troops, its another story.

Allah akbar (or whatever it is) is also used daily by most Muslims as a saying. Just happens that we think of the barbaric terrorists shouting it when we hear it. Terrorists or extreme deranged religious fanatics, they were obviously Muslims.

Brandishing a cleaver and a knife, and with the body of the victim lying yards away, the man said: "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.""We must fight them. I apologise that women had to witness this today.
"But in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

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Originally Posted by Damien

This what our country is, and it shares that trait with most other civilised nations that have abolished the death penalty and all other civilised nations which give people a trial. Even America gives people trials before death sentences and then they end up costing the state just as much, if not more, to execute.

Besides it's what they want. They wanted to be killed today by the sounds of it.



If they're like all the others they'll think death is part of the plan and they'll be rewarded in death. Again, they'll probably jump before they're pushed off that plane.

Can't see it being a particularly long trial though; Caught literally red handed and all with the murder weapon in hand.

As for the jump before being pushed, I say why not let them? Will they put their money where their mouth is?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Gets my vote, it does sicken me that people think we should treat these *******s nicely.

The death penalty would sort these type of people out for good but instead we will keep these evil people in jail at the taxpayers expense.

Originally Posted by denphone

The death penalty would sort these type of people out for good but instead we will keep these evil people in jail at the taxpayers expense.

We would execute them at the taxpayers expense too.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

We would execute them at the taxpayers expense too.

I doubt there would be much trouble raising the money with a whip-round.

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[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

We would execute them at the taxpayers expense too.

It would cost considerably less then keeping them in prison though.