The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Gary L]

Woo Hoo!
I knew he was modelling himself on his hero!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FnmnuDiVno

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

I make that 300,000?

Quite right, sorry. Been a long day. New puppy, sleep deprivation

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Well I did not know until I watched Have I got News for You just how much of the welfare bill goes on pensions. The woman on there said 2 thirds but I thought no way not that much. 47% in the year 2011 and 2012 went on state pensions a whopping 74 billion with another 8 billion for pension credits taking it over 50% ESA and Incap stands @ a little over 8.5 billion the next highest is housing benefit that stands just below 19 billion which the pensioners will have some of also so the 2 thirds is looking about right. JSA stands at just under 5 billion

These are least hit by the cuts so as I have said all along al the gov are doing are urinating in the wind making the poorest suffer

reposted this here as its relevant. It is clear to me the biggest cost of welfare is the state pension all other individual benefits are a drop in the ocean compared.

Child benefit costs 12 billion a year working and child tax 30 billion. The cuts are hitting the wrong people. Means test the state pension those with good private pensions are still getting this. My old man gets 28 K a year private pension and still gets the state pension. There is imo a lot more to be gained from this cut than the tiny cuts to the poorest

Figures are starting to get real to me now and the propaganda and spin el gov have got most of you suckered into is starting to leave a bitter taste

You know why they wont ? votes simple as that

He is getting hit, by the tax man anything earnt after receiving the state pension is taxable iirc.

Cowardly George Osborne could have faced a rough ride as he was lined up for a TV debate with disabled campaigner Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson.

But the anticipated showdown never materialised – after she was suddenly axed from the show.

And last night sources on ITV’s The Agenda claimed the former wheelchair racer, who won 11 Paralympic gold medals over five Games, got the chop because the Chancellor was scared she would attack his savage benefit cuts.

An insider said: “He did not want to be hauled over the coals on the Government’s disability changes. So she was dumped from the line-up.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...debate-1817658

[mertle]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...debate-1817658

Thats criminal ITV maybe they should be fined. Why aint ofcom getting involved they will critise false adverts but wont stop propaganda and false evidances pure lies from polititians. How can disabled fight there ground for there necessary help and support when dipstick like ITV bosses refuse to interview tanya grey thompson with meeting with osbourne. Osbourne and IDS should been dragged kicking and screaming to it.

About time these polititians saw the mess they creating stop being in insulated ivory towers. Why dont they take 50% pay cut to show they leading by example or wave all but essential claims. Such as paying for own meals and paying own drinks at house commons. If they cant tighten belts then they should not ask others.

About time the media stopped its political lies told the truth what DLA is for.

Seems only Guardian shown a fight those who ignoring the destruction of disabled lives.


What disabled supposed to do stay at home staring at wall because idiots think its wrong they have any little luxury from a benefit. When for disabled its subsitute so they should be allowed little leeway. Especially those disabled can never be able to work. Many disabled have to have people to help them such pay for someone to clean there home. Not all got family able to due to work commitments themselves.

We talking those who having passed the ESA Atos to show they unable to work.

Those who support it READ THIS. Yep former IB and ESA is support for disabled who cant work. Problem is people have little understanding the disabled benefit system need to understand DLA is for ALLL DISABLED helps many who can work able to WORK. ESA for thing like income to pay for things like food, bills etc. The DLA is help pay for Care & mobility. You can use it get and maintain mobility aids this includes Scooters, keeping car on the road whether private or motorbility. So they not HOUSE BOUND have little bit respect to there lives.

Seems now not even allowed to work either. So again what disabled supposed to do then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...e-able-to-work

[Gary L]

I was thinking. this thing with Maggie dying and the timing of it.
the way people are about it all. could be the start of the beginning if you like.
it's all about how Maggie is seen by many as destroying peoples lives at that time. but look what's happening now with the same party but a different leader?!

see it?
that's what I'm on about.

I don't think this will stop now. I reckon this was the spark that started the fire.
I'll even bet Dave and many others are thinking the same.

Loved the new bit where they have dropped mobility test from fifty metres to twenty that gets me down my garden path and just past the fence to next doors garden and that makes you fit mobility wise brilliant. This leader is doing far more damage then maggie ever did and he isn't finished yet.

[Gary L]

I'd say he's going to be finished a lot sooner than he thought.
I truly think that Maggies death has started the ball rolling on all this now.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'd say he's going to be finished a lot sooner than he thought.
I truly think that Maggies death has started the ball rolling on all this now.

Time will tell.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'd say he's going to be finished a lot sooner than he thought.
I truly think that Maggies death has started the ball rolling on all this now.

To be fair Gary L I have no time for margeret thatcher evil witch but she did one good thing she helped the disabled. Under her wing motorbility was born with The Mobility Allowance scheme used initially fore runner to DLA by lord plaistow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motability

The destruction this scheme, by this governement is wrong.

They just sat there giving her plaudits yet had not guts to admit they killing one of her best policies.

Yes she did wrong but disabled do have to thank her for the forsight to introduce plaistow vision.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Loved the new bit where they have dropped mobility test from fifty metres to twenty that gets me down my garden path and just past the fence to next doors garden and that makes you fit mobility wise brilliant. This leader is doing far more damage then maggie ever did and he isn't finished yet.

yep disgustingly evil by these jokers to move goalposts from the consultation lets hope the courts give them good kicking.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...mobility-tests

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'd say he's going to be finished a lot sooner than he thought.
I truly think that Maggies death has started the ball rolling on all this now.

May be if the other party had a credible leader

Maybe if we the voters had a credible alternative to vote for.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I have a just watched a programme on www.itn.co.uk concerning the new welfare caps that are starting in Haringey, On Monday.

That will reduce benefit payments to encourage people into work - What work.

It just does not work when there is no employment in deprived area's to force people to get a job that does not pay enough money to cover the day to day financial running.

I will assume that some members will say that it will get the scroungers off the system and back into work - BUT what about the people that have been put there by no fault of there own, and those are that age is against them, where some employers want to take on younger staff as they are cheaper.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

That will reduce benefit payments to encourage people into work - What work.

Oh I don't know. Maybe they could start with some of these.

http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/haringey?...alaryLowToHigh
http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/jobs/
http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs-in-Haringey

Either that or they could queue up at a coal mine to take a job. You seem pretty convinced that coal mining is economically viable and all thats needed is people to go down there and get the coal out and everything will be peachy in the economy.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I have a just watched a programme on www.itn.co.uk concerning the new welfare caps that are starting in Haringey, On Monday.

That will reduce benefit payments to encourage people into work - What work.

It just does not work when there is no employment in deprived area's to force people to get a job that does not pay enough money to cover the day to day financial running.

I will assume that some members will say that it will get the scroungers off the system and back into work - BUT what about the people that have been put there by no fault of there own, and those are that age is against them, where some employers want to take on younger staff as they are cheaper.

Is that the report where a woman with only 2 kids receives more than £26,000/yr(£500/wk) in benefits. That is effectively an after tax figure, so the actual wage equivalent is higher. The report is of course very short on specifics, therefore we cannot judge the full picture(that's probably deliberate). If single parents with just 2 children are routinely going to be affected by this, then wouldn't a lot more than 40,000 be affected?