Iraq War 'can't be justified', admits Lord Prescott

[papa smurf]

i cant take what this man says at face value ,until science discovers a way of polishing a turd he will always be a piece of dull dog doo in my eyes

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i cant take what this man says at face value ,until science discovers a way of polishing a turd he will always be a piece of dull dog doo in my eyes

Check out Mythbusters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

To be honest it's very hard to judge recent history.It takes take time more than a lifetime for historic events to be seen as historic and to be seen without the emotion of the present and the benefit of hindsight.

I think I'm too close to these events and my opinion is likely to be skewed by many emotions. I'll leave it to historians of the future to make judgement on what has happened.

Frankly in comparison to past battles and wars we do have at least the ability to criticise our leaders.Thinking of all those serfs and peasants who were given no choice about whose army they were part of at least we get to choose in this day and age.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think I'm too close to these events and my opinion is likely to be skewed by many emotions.

Same here

Originally Posted by Maggy J

To be honest it's very hard to judge recent history.It takes take time more than a lifetime for historic events to be seen as historic and to be seen without the emotion of the present and the benefit of hindsight.

I think I'm too close to these events and my opinion is likely to be skewed by many emotions. I'll leave it to historians of the future to make judgement on what has happened.

Frankly in comparison to past battles and wars we do have at least the ability to criticise our leaders.Thinking of all those serfs and peasants who were given no choice about whose army they were part of at least we get to choose in this day and age.

What you mean is it takes time for history to be rewritten biasedly by those who gained power

we only just found out Richard didn't really have a hunchback

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

What you mean is it takes time for history to be rewritten biasedly by those who gained power

we only just found out Richard didn't really have a hunchback

In other words give it about 500 years before the events will be judged dispassionately.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

In other words give it about 500 years before the events will be judged dispassionately.

Nothing wrong with passion Maggy. We witnessed the events we saw them happen we know there was no weapons of mass destruction we witnessed the lies. The only question that needs an answer is was that scientist murdered of not

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

What you mean is it takes time for history to be rewritten biasedly by those who gained power

we only just found out Richard didn't really have a hunchback

You might have only just found out I've always known, the truth is always out there if you're prepared to look, the problem for Blair was it didn't require any digging to find it, so much so I'm prepared to accept to a certain extent they did genuinely believe he did have wmd's.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Nothing wrong with passion Maggy. We witnessed the events we saw them happen we know there was no weapons of mass destruction we witnessed the lies. The only question that needs an answer is was that scientist murdered of not

Well you actually care about 'The Lie'. I don't as I expect to be lied from time to time on matters of national security and I just wanted Sadam gone.That was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well you actually care about 'The Lie'. I don't as I expect to be lied from time to time on matters of national security and I just wanted Sadam gone.That was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq.

Of course I care about the lie and to be frank I am shocked you do not.You must be totally at home in the UK then the amount of BS you get to hear here. They should have pushed forward and deposed him in the first war instead of costing our country billions and I dunno how many lives based on lies

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Of course I care about the lie and to be frank I am shocked you do not.You must be totally at home in the UK then the amount of BS you get to hear here. They should have pushed forward and deposed him in the first war instead of costing our country billions and I dunno how many lives based on lies

Of course they should but they didn't.That was when they let us down.That was when they Let a terrorist and a despot get away..As for the BS you should know that will always happen.All we can do is try and find someone somewhere in the crowd that is an honest politician and vote for them.

Always expect to be lied to..by everyone.That way you will never be surprised or shocked.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well you actually care about 'The Lie'. I don't as I expect to be lied from time to time on matters of national security and I just wanted Sadam gone.That was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq.

So why did he not just say that instead of trying to scare the country and people by saying iraq could launch WMD at us at 40 minutes notice. The man was a liar and because he lied people died and there deaths are his fault. What scares me even more is what else did he lie about and we will never get to know.

So its simple when you think about it, he lied to get us into Iraq and therefor his lie killed people.

I seriously believe the secret services topped David Kelly and I seriously believe people are likely to get silenced a little more than we would like.

Maggy it was never to get rid of a terrorist or a despot it was all about gaining some control in the area where there is oil. If we as a nation wanted rid of terrorists and despots why in gods name is Mugabe still in power? if you think for one minute the allies did this for the benefit of Iraq you are very naive indeed

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I seriously believe the secret services topped David Kelly and I seriously believe people are likely to get silenced a little more than we would like.

Maggy it was never to get rid of a terrorist or a despot it was all about gaining some control in the area where there is oil. If we as a nation wanted rid of terrorists and despots why in gods name is Mugabe still in power? if you think for one minute the allies did this for the benefit of Iraq you are very naive indeed

See it doesn't matter what they tell us..We will always find another reason to suit our own notions.Which is why I say that time and space is how present day issues will eventually be judged.We are here and now and we as observers can't agree what was what. It turns out we can't even trust what we read in the papers most of the time so how do we make judgements about recent history?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I seriously believe the secret services topped David Kelly and I seriously believe people are likely to get silenced a little more than we would like.

Maggy it was never to get rid of a terrorist or a despot it was all about gaining some control in the area where there is oil. If we as a nation wanted rid of terrorists and despots why in gods name is Mugabe still in power? if you think for one minute the allies did this for the benefit of Iraq you are very naive indeed

When the lights start going out here in a few years and petrol's £5 a litre, I dare say most people will wish we'd taken a bit more direct action to secure those oil supplies.