Gay couples cannot raise children, says Welsh secretary.

[denphone]

Tory MP David Jones says same-sex couples cannot provide 'warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...elsh-secretary

Really what century is he still in.

[danielf]

He looks like just the type that knows how to provide a warm and safe environment. Not...


Arse.

[BenMcr]

I wonder if there is a 'foot in mouth' class all Tory MPs go through when they are elected?

If so, he graduated Summa Com Laude....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I wonder if there is a 'foot in mouth' class all Tory MPs go through when they are elected?

If there is he would have been given top grades.

[Chad]

What a silly sausage

[thenry]

al-queer-eda

[Pierre]

OK, I'm prepared to be flamed, I haven't read the article, however.

I don't agree with same sex couples having kids.

That's my opinion and belief.

I think a child, ideally, should have a mother and a father. They need both.

You can give me all the equality claptrap, but as a "Darwinist" so to speak. same sex couples are a product of the last couple of decades. They exist either by science or dodgey mates or in rare cases, adoption.

In simple terms, two people of the same sex cannot procreate naturally, I am very welcome to hear otherwise.

I think that it is important that a child have a loving, caring environment - the sexuality of the parents is, imho, irrelevant.

I know of two people who can't procreate naturally, and they have adopted children - is that ok just because they are heterosexual?

We hear of plenty of nuclear or one-parent families where children are mistreated, so that model isn't perfect.

[thenry]

I had the same strong view as Pierre and still do to a degree. The facts is parents should be male and female, the cycle of life works that way because its meant to be that way. Now though in recent years the whole gay, alien to society has diluted. Most peoples worry is children being bullied or was? there are programs now on tele that must have an influence on peoples attitude, acceptance of children/teens/persons with gay parents? I heard the word 'al-queer-eda' watching Pramface on BBC3, funny stuff. It made me think twice about my own judgement on gays. Added to that the nutcases I have to put up with.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

I had the same strong view as Pierre and still do to a degree. The facts is parents should be male and female, the cycle of life works that way because its meant to be that way. Now though in recent years the whole gay, alien to society has diluted. Most peoples worry is children being bullied or was? there are programs now on tele that must have an influence on peoples attitude, acceptance of children/teens/persons with gay parents? I heard the word 'al-queer-eda' watching Pramface on BBC3, funny stuff. It made me think twice about my own judgement on gays. Added to that the nutcases I have to put up with.

l have a gay brother and as such know him very well and in my own own humble opinion he would be very capable along with his partner of raising children and as Hugh say look at the family's out there who cannot even look after their own children properly and as such what gives them or other parts of society the right to sit in judgement about other people in our society.

The fact is no one has any automatic right to have children whatever sexuality or gender of the parents.

Having children is a privilege not a right.

[Osem]

I think 2 loving people, whatever their sex, have every chance of bringing up children in a stable environment conducive to their long term wellbeing. It seems to me there is bound to be some impact on the children of a gay marriage, however, whether it just be that they are not exposed to the 'parental' love of both a man and a woman. Of course in today's world there are plenty of single parent, single sex and defective households devoid of any love whatsoever so the same, or quite possibly worse, could be said for the children of those relationships.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

OK, I'm prepared to be flamed, I haven't read the article, however.

I don't agree with same sex couples having kids.

That's my opinion and belief.

I think a child, ideally, should have a mother and a father. They need both.

I think few people would argue that, all other things being equal, it is best for a child to have a father and mother. I think there's a decent debate to be had there, and I think there's a definite case for favouring a man/woman couple when possible. That's a completely different position from the one taken by David Jones, who argues that a same-sex clearly couple cannot provide a 'warm and safe environment'. At the end of the day, it's better to be raised by a loving couple than to spend your days in an care.

I'll tell you what. I'd rather be raised by two loving homosexuals, than by a moron like David Jones.

Originally Posted by Pierre

OK, I'm prepared to be flamed, I haven't read the article, however.

I don't agree with same sex couples having kids.

That's my opinion and belief.

I think a child, ideally, should have a mother and a father. They need both.

You can give me all the equality claptrap, but as a "Darwinist" so to speak. same sex couples are a product of the last couple of decades. They exist either by science or dodgey mates or in rare cases, adoption.

In simple terms, two people of the same sex cannot procreate naturally, I am very welcome to hear otherwise.

To a certain degree i think you are right ,it is how it is meant to be ,but in the great scheme of things in modern times it doesn't really make any difference .There are plenty of man/women couples who Darwin would put back in the trees ,the same with gay couples .So as long as gay couples don't try to bring kids up to be gay by undue influence i don't really care ,and as long as the couples who do have the kids don't run round thinking they are somehow special and more moral than any other family that's fine .