Superhub Brand new superhub problem! - Page 3

Sephiroth · 20-12-2012, 00:57

ASk them on the VM forum. There are some members there who can take it to the Forum Team for special consideration.

Come back here, please, with a link to the Community thread.

qasdfdsaq · 20-12-2012, 04:03

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Sniffing with wireshark might help if it is a rogue packet type problem but we still don't know for sure if it is.

That's pretty much my answer to everything these days but I'm yet to find an easy 1-2-3 guide to Wiresharking for Dummies.

sniper007 · 20-12-2012, 13:51

Guys, got any suggestions for a wireless cable gigabit router? Seriously might buy one over xmas. Needs to have gigabit ports on it though. Also would prefer one to be able to run DDWRT/Tomato or open source firmware like the old solid Linksys routers used to.

In the mean time I will test my PS3 tonight.

adduxi · 20-12-2012, 15:11

I like the Asus RT-N16 I have with Tomtato, however it's old now. The Asus RT-66 is the newer model, but I don't think it can use Tomato?
It can run 'Merlin' Firmware, but not too sure what firmware Merlin is built around.

sniper007 · 20-12-2012, 16:02

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Originally Posted by adduxi

I like the Asus RT-N16 I have with Tomtato, however it's old now. The Asus RT-66 is the newer model, but I don't think it can use Tomato?
It can run 'Merlin' Firmware, but not too sure what firmware Merlin is built around.

Looks perfect. I had an amazingly good experience running Tomato firmware for 2-3 years before with an older Linksys router. I like Tomato. Any cheaper routers that run it that have gigabit ports? Anything for under Â£50?

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Also the TPLink TL-WR1043ND also looks good as is only Â£38.11 on amazon. Has an Atheros chip so will not run Tomato, but I have read that it is compatible with Open/DDWRT.

The Asus RT-N16 is Â£63.97.

ferretuk · 20-12-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by sniper007

Also the TPLink TL-WR1043ND also looks good as is only Â£38.11 on amazon. Has an Atheros chip so will not run Tomato, but I have read that it is compatible with Open/DDWRT.

I'm running DD-WRT on a WR1043ND. I don't use the wireless side though, so can't vouch for its performance in that area...

sniper007 · 20-12-2012, 17:00

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Originally Posted by ferretuk

I'm running DD-WRT on a WR1043ND. I don't use the wireless side though, so can't vouch for its performance in that area...

The only thing that concerns me about the WR1043ND, is that it is not very future proof. The WAN to LAN throughput is 122.7mb tested by smallnetbuilder.com
That puts it right at the limit of when we get 120mb download speeds next year. Virgin may not increase speeds beyond 120mb for a while, but it would be nice to buy a router that has a "fit and forget" appeal to it. i.e. Can install a custom firmware and let it sit working for years. Similar thing with the Asus RT-N16 which tops out at 141.1.

The netgear WNR3500L is Â£65 and has WAN to LAN throughput of 255.5mb. But...it does not have the best wireless performance (no external antennae) and is not dual band simultaneous capable. The latter two points don't bother me. Also the netgear can run Tomato, DDWRT and OpenWRT. Looks like a good option.

ferretuk · 20-12-2012, 17:13

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Originally Posted by sniper007

The only thing that concerns me about the WR1043ND, is that it is not very future proof. The WAN to LAN throughput is 122.7mb tested by smallnetbuilder.com

I've had 130Mb/s through it according to JDast...

sniper007 · 20-12-2012, 17:50

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Originally Posted by ferretuk

I've had 130Mb/s through it according to JDast...

How did you test that?

Oh...uh oh... I just found this from qasdfdsaq in another thread:

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

a) They don't cheap out the amount of RAM they put in, they have the same or more RAM compared competitors in the same class
(e.g. TP-Link WR2543ND - 64MB vs Netgear WNDR4000 - 64MB, TP-Link WR1043ND - 32MB vs Netgear WNR3500 - 16MB, TP-Link TL-WR741ND - 32MB vs Linksys WRT120N - 32MB, TP-Link WDR4300 - 128MB, Linksys EA3500 - 64MB)
b) RAM has almost no effect whatsoever on WAN
c) Smallnetbuilder's throughput results are almost universally a load of crap.
d) TP-Link cheap out on processor speed and that does limit WAN throughput. Their firmware is also often based on very old versions of OpenWRT, which doesn't help.

Really? How so? In that they over or under estimate WAN to LAn throughput?

ferretuk · 20-12-2012, 18:01

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Originally Posted by sniper007

How did you test that?

JDast on VM 120Mb/s service

Jumping · 20-12-2012, 18:35

I use the wireless on TL-wr1043nd using the DD-WRT firmware and its fine with good signal strength through my house.

For a cheap router its a lot of bang for the buck, so if you don't want to spend to much money I would highly recommend it.

caph · 20-12-2012, 23:26

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Errm the Super"hub" has a 4 port switch. That's a switch by every common definition of the word and not a hub in any networking sense. The "Hub" part of the name is a marketing term for the combination of wired, wireless, and WAN connectivity in one unit.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hub+vs+switch

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please don't come back aggressively at me when you don't know what you are talking about.

If you're unsure or have a query about anything I've said then just ask, but please don't "tell" me what is clearly incorrect, it makes you look foolish and it wastes my time replying to you. It also detracts from the value of this forum.

Benefit of the doubt ... switch segregates traffic based on IP addresses attached to each port. Therefore each port only receives directed traffic that applies to it. Do me a favour and install Wireshark on your PC, then start it running on your LAN interface. Next, start any traffic on any other port on your LAN and watch it magically appear in Wireshark due to the fact that the Superhub has a cheap hub and not in fact an intelligent switch.

Sephiroth · 20-12-2012, 23:50

Hi Caph

Putting aside Qasi's much loved manner (!) he's completely right. You've given him the benefit of the doubt by reason of the addressable ports. That should be the end of it. But you've gone on to talk of the SH being a "cheap hub" not an "intelligent switch" - whatever the latter means.

The Sh is cheap but the switch section is not a hub because the ports are addressable from the router. You can't have it both ways. Or have I misunderstood something?

caph · 20-12-2012, 23:53

It's definitely looking like a problem between the PS3 and Superhub. Can you stream the same movie from one PC to the other via the Superhub? That would rule out the stream itself which I'm guessing is a prolonged stream of UDP packets. As I type I've just finished streaming a 20 minute TV episode across the superhub from a NAS to my laptop both hardwired with no stuttering.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

but the switch section is not a hub because the ports are addressable from the router.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that.

Qtx · 21-12-2012, 00:07

On a side note, my sky hub (SR101) only has 100 and not gigabit ports. Obviously a switch type operation though as today I was ftp'ing some stuff between 2 machines at 11mb/s while downloading at 3.5mb/s and streaming a hight bitrate mkv to a wireless laptop from a hard wired NAS.

Not had a superhub but I would expect it to work in a similar way and not repeat all the packets out all all the ports, ala a hub.